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Lamy 2000 History


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#21 manolo

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 18:14



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Brandon, it's great to see you hunting down this information to satisfy our curiousity. Wish I could lend a hand, but all four of the 2000s that have passed through my hands have been pretty normal and boring (aside from the one I still own right now - it's been converted to an eyedropper, and it's apparently a hybrid model featuring a clip silkscreened W. Germany on it, but with a barrel sans "L" on the bottom). By the end of next week, it'll be even weirder, as a good friend and collecting buddy is sending me a replacement nib for it that likely predates the pen by 20 or 30 years (it's a nib from a 27/30 series).

Hey manolo, is that set engraved/silkscreened anywhere with the Gulf logo or anything?

(Thinks to himself, "How cool would it be if there was a little engraved Gulf logo on the top of the clip, or a color logo silkscreened on the top of the cap?" Oh, how awesome would that look next to a die cast model of the Gulf Porsche 917s from the Le Mans days?)

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No, only plain "GULF" engraved on the body of fp and bp. No logo. I don't know the history of the Gulf company, but the pen seems to come from the french market, as the paperwork is written in french. I bought it from a man living in Mallorca, who was in turn selling the pen from a friend...a long history. A bold stub that writes beautifully.

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#22 kwinana

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 12:36

I think that while there have been two special (time limited) editions in the 2000 line (the ceramicon & titanium BPs) the taxus & blackwood have only been variants from the standard line i.e.just normal models.

To my knowledge, Lamy have only ever produced one true limited edition of any pen, which is the 2000LE. 2000 units produced to celebrate the millenium.

A display of amazing restraint for a major pen company.

John



Correct me if I am wrong. As far as I know Lamy produced 10 000 stainless steel Limited edition 2000 Ballpoints and 5000 stainless steel fountain pens.

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 11:43

I had a FP+MP set in the 70s, later I received a BP pen.
I only have the BP now, but the Lamy2000 were great pens can not imagine anyone getting rid of it.

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 11:01

Anyone knows the difference between pens with "GERMANY 1" and "GERMANY 2" under the clip?
It seems that you can get a Lamy 2000 nowadays with either imprint.

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 14:59

Anyone knows the difference between pens with "GERMANY 1" and "GERMANY 2" under the clip?
It seems that you can get a Lamy 2000 nowadays with either imprint.


I believe the number indicates the cavity number in the die which makes the part. Multiple parts are made each time they inject metal into the die or mold (the part might be made with metal injection-molding). Most molded or cast parts on pens are from multi-cavity tools and will have similar markings to indicate which cavity they come from.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 21:51

What I want to know is why Lamy have yet to release the FP in any of the other finishs! Crazy!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 22:16

Is the Lamy piston get impossible to turn over the time? I got a Lamy 2K which is very old, but i need pliers to turn piston. Any ideas to cure it?
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 01:53

For me the most interesting thing about the Lamy is its design history. Designed by Gerd A. Mueller, a prominent German designer of Braun electronics fame (I have what I think is a Gerd A. Mueller designed BRAUN food processor and it still works even though it was given to my parents in the 1970s). You can read about Mr. Mueller or Bauhaus at many places online.

I find it interesting that the Aurora Hastil is in MoMA but that the L2K isn't, even though I a) never see the Hastil mentioned except for when people mention "the MoMa fountain pen" and I'm also surprised because of MoMA's serious love of the Bauhaus school. Oh well, I guess FPs don't get any love much of anyplace except on this forum, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

Is the Lamy piston get impossible to turn over the time? I got a Lamy 2K which is very old, but i need pliers to turn piston. Any ideas to cure it?


Mine got looser over time, but then, I wouldn't describe mine as "very old" or "old". What's the dating on it, using these handy visual cues posted earlier in this thread?
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#29 emrecan

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 02:20

Hello Grace,

Thank you for your reply. I think I have 1st generation Lamy 2k. No Lamy writing on clip. Anything i can do to loosen piston? My modern 2K doesnt have this problem.

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#30 GraceThroughFaith

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 04:18

Emrecan,

I think you're right about the dating. I don't know enough about this model or about your problem to make an educated guess as to the problem. Can you pull it out at all? If so, I'd recommend some silicone grease on the part of the piston which appears when it is twisted (the threads). If you need more than hand-applied human force, I'd send it to a professional, as this may involve inner workings with the piston, something which at least I consider above my paygrade.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:05

After sending the question to Lamy, I can confirm your answer is true. The number comes from the die: two different dies=two numbers.


Anyone knows the difference between pens with "GERMANY 1" and "GERMANY 2" under the clip?
It seems that you can get a Lamy 2000 nowadays with either imprint.


I believe the number indicates the cavity number in the die which makes the part. Multiple parts are made each time they inject metal into the die or mold (the part might be made with metal injection-molding). Most molded or cast parts on pens are from multi-cavity tools and will have similar markings to indicate which cavity they come from.

/Woody



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Posted 12 May 2010 - 11:53

Is the Lamy piston get impossible to turn over the time? I got a Lamy 2K which is very old, but i need pliers to turn piston. Any ideas to cure it?



According to the Lamy service center the piston assembly is pressure fitted into the barrel and you can manually remove it - although I have never tried this.
They also told me I could use vaseline to lubricate the ink chamber walls and piston rod, but I guess I would rather use 100% silicone grease.


As far as the various writing instruments in the Lamy 2000 range are concerned, I also learnt that from Lamy that the rollerball was a later addition, although I don't have the year.



But at least I hope I can distribute some information to the history of the great classic design.





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Posted 12 May 2010 - 11:54

Is the Lamy piston get impossible to turn over the time? I got a Lamy 2K which is very old, but i need pliers to turn piston. Any ideas to cure it?



According to the Lamy service center the piston assembly is pressure fitted into the barrel from the rear and you can manually remove it - although I have never tried this. I was advised that - if necessary - I could use vaseline to lubricate the ink chamber walls and piston rod, but I guess I would rather use 100% silicone grease.


As far as the various writing instruments in the Lamy 2000 range are concerned, I also learnt from Lamy that the rollerball was a later addition, although I don't have the exact year. I am getting my hands on the copies of some vintage Lamy catalogue and maybe I can contribute some more tidbits of useful information then. I admit, early Lamy/Artus pens have started intriguing me.


But at least I hope I can add some information to the history of this great classic design.




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Edited by beluga, 12 May 2010 - 12:01.


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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:07

Is the Lamy piston get impossible to turn over the time? I got a Lamy 2K which is very old, but i need pliers to turn piston. Any ideas to cure it?




According to the Lamy service center the piston assembly is pressure fitted into the barrel from the rear and you can manually remove it - although I have never tried this. I was advised that - if necessary - I could use vaseline to lubricate the ink chamber walls and piston rod, but I guess I would rather use 100% silicone grease.


As far as the various writing instruments in the Lamy 2000 range are concerned, I also learnt from Lamy that the rollerball was a later addition, although I don't have the exact year. I hope to get my hands on the copies of some vintage Lamy catalogues and maybe can contribute some more tidbits of useful information then. I admit, early Lamy/Artus pens have started intriguing me.


Hopefully, I could also add at least some information to the history of this great classic design.




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Posted 13 May 2010 - 05:15

I bought a Lamy 2000 fountain pen.

Day one it leaked.

I sent it for repair and they made me pay 20 dollars.

Paying for selling you a defective pen? I asked the shop assistant.

He grinned and handed me the receipt.

I really admire the design of this pen but does it have to leak like the Niagara?

As for the history aspect of this rant. . . the LAMY 2000 for me is now HISTORY!

Edited by kareef, 13 May 2010 - 05:16.


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Posted 16 May 2010 - 19:55

Is the Lamy piston get impossible to turn over the time? I got a Lamy 2K which is very old, but i need pliers to turn piston. Any ideas to cure it?


It's most likely due to friction between the inner barrel walls and the sides of the piston head. Ink buildup can also cause the piston to stick if you have allowed ink to dry in the barrel. Operating the piston with dried ink in the pen is the best way to abrade the piston head.

Make sure you have flushed the pen completely (this may require removing the piston assembly). Then apply a thin film of pure silicone lubricant to the inside of the barrel. I use a cotton swab to apply the grease to the inside of the barrel. I will then work the piston, and end with a final swabbing to remove any excess silicone lube from the top of the inner barrel and top of the piston head.

As for lubricating the piston shaft and other parts, I usually avoid doing so. If the piston head and inner barrel walls are properly lubricated, this isn't necessary.

In fact, when you lubricate the threads of the blind cap (piston knob) you make it much easier to accidentally unscrew the blind cap past the point where the piston is fully extended.

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 23:47

Some internet research and Ebay gambles have revealed a few more Lamy details. Apparently there have been at least four "generations" of Lamy 2000 pens, as follows:

1. First generation has an L on the disk, no Lamy imprint on the side of the clip, a "Lamy 2000 W. Germany" imprint on the cap, a straight clip with a ball bearing at the end, and a nib size imprint on the underside of the section just below the "ears" ring.

2. Second generation has an L on the disk, a Lamy imprint on the side of the clip, "W. Germany" on the underside of the clip, and a solid machined clip.

3. Third generation has a silver disk only, a Lamy imprint on the side of the clip, and "Germany 1" or "Germany 2" on the underside of the clip, and a solid machined clip.

4. Fourth generation is same as #3, only with solid stainless steel around the breather hole on the section.

Lamy 2000 Limited Edition: Solid stainless steel body, same section and nib unit as #3, polished clip, no Lamy imprint on clip.

Three Lamy 2000 clips. Background is first gen with ball bearing. Middleground is third gen with Lamy imprint. Foreground is Lamy 2000 LE with polished clip and no Lamy imprint
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Three Lamy 2000 sections. Leftmost is first gen with slightly longer black piece at the breather hole. Middle is third gen. Right is Lamy 2000 LE. The fourth gen (not pictured) has stainless steel around the breather hole, not black plastic.
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Three Lamy 2000 "butts." Leftmost is first gen with "L" on disk. Middle is Third gen. Right is Lamy 2000 LE.
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Lamy 2000 first gen with long breather hole plastic and nib size imprint.
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Lamy 2000 first gen cap imprint
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Lamy 2000 third gen clip imprint
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I've posted these photos elsewhere(http://www.fountainp...17#entry1837417), until I found this thread.

Do you have any knowledge on this Lamy 2000 model fountain pen(circa 1967)? As you can see, this pen model says "LAMY 2000" around the bottom of the pen cap. There is no "W. GERMANY" markings, which I believe was issued on later models? There is no markings on the stainless steel clip. The clip has a polished round ball on the end bottom of the pen clip that rest against the pen, unlike the contemporary model's curved tip. The bold Lamy "L" appears on the end opposite of the nib.

The story behind the pen is that it purchased in Germany by a US soldier while stationed/traveling in Germany around 1967:

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 16:31

I believe there is at least one more "generation" of 2000s, in fact is was already mentioned but contrary to what was first thought, I don't think this was a pen with parts from different generations:

The pen has a plain silver disk on the blind cap, but "Lamy 2000 W.Germany" imprint on the cap. I own one of these, and have seen too many identical ones to consider them all pens with replacement parts...
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:56

My Lamy Safari charcoal with blue-black is my most reliable pen.

I have it with my check book.

After reading all these posts I am ordering an Al Star in Aluminum with a broad 1.9 mm Italic nib. Or two, and a red Al Star -- with medium nib? Or 1.5 mm?

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