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Lamy 1.1-mm nib sucks for italic handwriting?


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#1 JonathanAquino

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 08:13

Iím trying to like my Lamy Safari with 1.1-mm nib. I really am. German engineering, right? But Iím not getting good performance, as you can see in the photo below.

Does your Lamy 1.1 write like this? I wonder if mine is just faulty.

At the top is the Lamy with Lamy blue-black ink in a piston converter. At the bottom is a pen from an inexpensive Panache calligraphy set. And the Panache performs so much better:

Lamy Safari 1.1 vs. Speedball Panache Fine

Things to note about the Lamy:
- uneven color
- uneven line width
- thin strokes are not sharp enoughócompare the serifs to the razor-sharp ones on the Panache

Is my Lamy defective?

Edited by JonathanAquino, 21 June 2009 - 08:22.


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#2 HDoug

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:09

I have a couple of the smaller Lamy italics (.7 and .9?) and they're not very sharp either. I think that's on purpose, though. Sharper italics are more difficult to use (for most people) and they had to strike some kind of compromise between sharp and easy.

With a sharp eye, a steady hand, and a grindstone, one can sharpen the nibs.

Good luck on your worthy quest. The form of your italic is quite nice!

Doug

Edited by HDoug, 21 June 2009 - 10:11.


#3 Achim

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 14:44

I'd try different ink or paper first - it looks as if they don't get along well, lots of feathering. I just tried here and on my Conqueror paper with blue Lamy cartridge ink it's much crisper than on your photo. But I agree that the 1.1 Lamy doesn't have as much line variation as other nibs (i.e. Manuscript), but the Lamy nibs write much smoother. You might also want to try a 1.5 mm or even the 1.9 mm nib, since those have much more line variation.

Edited by Achim, 21 June 2009 - 15:18.


#4 superbleu

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 14:53

As stated above try some different inks and papers.

Also get yourself some supefine wetdry sandpaper and you can shape the nibs to be a little more crisp. If you screw up the nib, you can get replacement nibs here

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 15:00

If you can drop the cash...get a Binder Pel 200 with his preground italic cursive nibs...I have a 0.9 and a 0.7. You probably won't buy another italic nib other than his. My Lamy 1.1 lack the edge of Binder's. You get what you pay for. I tell myself that I have a stub with the Lamy 1.1.

I have a cheapie Sheaffer italic pen fine nib that I got years ago that works better than the Lamy 1.1. The newer cheapie Sheaffer art pens aren't machined as well as this older one.

Your penmanship is nice.

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#6 MYU

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 16:30

This is more appropriate for "Writing Instruments" as this is not a review. Moving...

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#7 Artie

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 16:55

It looks like your Lamy has a right foot slant. If you hold it the same way you hold the Panache, it would account for the uneven lines. Ink flow is another problem though. Same ink in both? I don't understand why the Lamy would write with both such a thinned ink look AND tend to bleed if both pens have the same ink.

BTW, Binder will take issue with this but the right foot nib is usually considered a left handed nib, but it will need to be held at an angle where the entire nib is in contact with the paper all the time.

Edited by Artie, 21 June 2009 - 16:58.


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Posted 21 June 2009 - 20:28

I second the ink/paper suggestion. My 1.1mm safari nib looks exactly like the bottom (dark blue) markings, but perhaps even sharper.

Could also, perhaps, be technique. I tend to write in rather choppy/slashing like manner, which could be what causes my variations to be rather severe.
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#9 JonathanAquino

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 21:08

Thanks to all for the tips and thoughts.

HDoug—Thanks! I learned the handwriting from Fred Eager’s book “The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting”.

Achim—You’re right—the Lamy does not get along well with this inexpensive notepaper. It’s funny though that the cheap calligraphy pen works well on any paper, whereas the German-engineered Lamy is so fussy.

superbleu—Thanks for the pointer to the site with replacement nibs. Will use that if I get into grinding.

PacificCoastPen—It’s funny that our cheap calligraphy pens work better than the Lamy!

Artie—Interesting observation about the “right-foot slant”—didn’t notice that! I’ll need to research this more.

QuantumPugilist—You’re lucky that your 1.1mm safari nib has a sharp line!

Edited by JonathanAquino, 21 June 2009 - 21:13.


#10 FrankB

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 22:24

I have some italic nibs that are quite crisp, and I agree the Lamy 1.1mm is more of a cursive italic grind. I suppose the cursive italic character makes the nib more user friendly and a little more universal in appeal to the general writing public. Although it is not super crisp, I find the 1.1mm Lamy to be a nice nib that is very satisfactory for writing flowing cursive italic script. Your handwriting looks very nice with both nibs, actually.

However, my nib seems to have a more generous flow than yours. I agree you should try another ink and different paper. If that (change) does not work, the nib might need an ink flow adjustment.

#11 JonathanAquino

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 23:16

Thanks FrankóIíll definitely need to give it a try on some different paper!

#12 JonathanAquino

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 06:49

Figured out the problem.

Figured out the problem

The “Notes on Pen Grinding” from the book “The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting” were useful in my first pen grind!

Thanks to HDoug and superbleu for the suggestions about sharpening the nib.

Edited by JonathanAquino, 23 June 2009 - 06:53.


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Posted 23 June 2009 - 06:55

Now that's sharp! Congrats on your first grind -- the result is just great.

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#14 Rufus

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 07:29

As is the case with most "factory" Italic nibs, your Lamy nib was more of a stub than either a cursive Italic or crisp Italic. In other words, you were comparing an apple with an orange.
Bryan

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#15 JonathanAquino

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 07:46

With a line thickness like that, it certainly felt like writing with an orange!

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 08:44

Sorry, but a totally unrelated question:-

How wide were the lines on the paper you wrote on?

Thanks smile.gif

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 09:14

QUOTE (Rufus @ Jun 23 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As is the case with most "factory" Italic nibs, your Lamy nib was more of a stub than either a cursive Italic or crisp Italic. In other words, you were comparing an apple with an orange.


I can second the stub. That's why I like the 1.1 Lamy nib. It is suitable for everyday writing. As far as my experience goes the nibs do have a consistent ink flow, too.

#18 JonathanAquino

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 02:55

QUOTE (Blerkz @ Jun 23 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How wide were the lines on the paper you wrote on?


Itís your everyday cheap high-school notepaper, 7.5mm (9/32").

QUOTE (piembi @ Jun 23 2009, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can second the stub. That's why I like the 1.1 Lamy nib. It is suitable for everyday writing. As far as my experience goes the nibs do have a consistent ink flow, too.


Youíre lucky to get good ink flow out of your 1.1 nib! Actually I do notice that the flow improved on mine after sharpening it. Maybe it just needed a kick.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 08:55

oh
1.1mm nib Safari Just like LAMY Joy

#20 Rufus

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 11:38

QUOTE (JonathanAquino @ Jun 23 2009, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Blerkz @ Jun 23 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How wide were the lines on the paper you wrote on?


Itís your everyday cheap high-school notepaper, 7.5mm (9/32").

QUOTE (piembi @ Jun 23 2009, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can second the stub. That's why I like the 1.1 Lamy nib. It is suitable for everyday writing. As far as my experience goes the nibs do have a consistent ink flow, too.


Youíre lucky to get good ink flow out of your 1.1 nib! Actually I do notice that the flow improved on mine after sharpening it. Maybe it just needed a kick.


Absolutely no ink flow problems with my 1.1mm Lamy Safari stub; in fact, it's one of the nicest writing stub nibs I own, and I own plenty.

Bryan

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