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#1 passenger

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 01:22

Hello,

I am going to purchase my very first Lamy Safari (with fine nib) this weekend and need to know if Noodler's inks work well with this pen. I have my heart set on Zhivago, but if that one's sold out I plan on getting Aircorp Blue-Black. These two are near bulletproof and since I've only used non-waterproof inks so far, I am a little anxious whether the inks will stain/damage/clog the pen in any way.

Also please tell me if the Safari with Noodler's ink will write dry or wet and if there's a possibility for the pen to skip.

BTW, I find the name Aircorp Blue-Black to be misleading. Based on the scans I've seen the colour is more green-black (maybe kind of like Zhivago?).

Hope to see your replies soon cool.gif

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 01:29

QUOTE (passenger @ Apr 29 2009, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello,

I am going to purchase my very first Lamy Safari (with fine nib) this weekend and need to know if Noodler's inks work well with this pen. I have my heart set on Zhivago, but if that one's sold out I plan on getting Aircorp Blue-Black. These two are near bulletproof and since I've only used non-waterproof inks so far, I am a little anxious whether the inks will stain/damage/clog the pen in any way.

Also please tell me if the Safari with Noodler's ink will write dry or wet and if there's a possibility for the pen to skip.

BTW, I find the name Aircorp Blue-Black to be misleading. Based on the scans I've seen the colour is more green-black (maybe kind of like Zhivago?).

Hope to see your replies soon cool.gif


I have 3 Lamy's filled with Noodlers ink. 2 Al-Stars and a Safari. Zhivago which is one of my daily inks. A great ink that's a little wet in my Safari using a 1.1mm nib. Another with Heart of Darkness, 1.1mm nib, and lastly Luxury Blue also with a 1.1mm nib. As you can see I like to write with italic nibs. I should also add that I get some nib creep with any Noodlers ink in my Lamy's but I like a nice wet nib.

I also had one filled with the infamous Bay State Blue. I never had a problem with it but I gave in and flushed it.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 01:58

QUOTE (passenger @ Apr 30 2009, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello,

I am going to purchase my very first Lamy Safari (with fine nib) this weekend and need to know if Noodler's inks work well with this pen. I have my heart set on Zhivago, but if that one's sold out I plan on getting Aircorp Blue-Black. These two are near bulletproof and since I've only used non-waterproof inks so far, I am a little anxious whether the inks will stain/damage/clog the pen in any way.

Also please tell me if the Safari with Noodler's ink will write dry or wet and if there's a possibility for the pen to skip.

BTW, I find the name Aircorp Blue-Black to be misleading. Based on the scans I've seen the colour is more green-black (maybe kind of like Zhivago?).

Hope to see your replies soon cool.gif


I've only recently started using a LAMY Al-Star and have put Aircorp Blue-Black. Mine is an XF nib, and I haven't really enjoyed the experience all that much since using the Aircorp. I'll agree that it is green-black, but only sometimes. Other times it's almost completely black. The next time, it's a perfect blue-black. It seems to make a difference if you shake the ink well before you fill the pen, and then I lightly shake the pen before I use it. With my XF nib, the noodler's still puts down a pretty wet line. If you'd like, I'll take some photos of it so you can see how it puts the ink out. As for the pen itself, it's very comfortable to hold. I'm a little disappointed with how wide the line it puts down, but overall, I can't say it has been a bad experience. It's been fun to learn about the pens, and I'll certainly try out more.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 03:10

Congratulations on your impending pen purchase! Let's see, I think I've tried all sorts of Noodler's (and other brand) colors in a Safari F and I've had no problems. Tahitian Pearl got along very nicely with it. I think at the time Zhivago struck me as running a bit too much toward black -- I preferred using it in a slightly drier pen (Pilot 78 M). I don't know if your new Safari will run wet or dry. Right now I've been trying out Standard Brown with a Safari EF (actually, I bought an EF replacement nib, but my particular EF isn't that different from the F -- which does mean it's very smooth, though). The other one now has a fine cursive italic nib -- Tahitian Pearl is okay in it, but I'll try a drier ink with the next fill for a crisper look. I've found Legal Lapis and Tahitian Pearl to be wet inks (with Legal Lapis there's nib creep). Noodler's Black and Zhivago strike me as "normal," in that I've never thought to myself, "Dang, that's a stingy (or nicely tight) ink" or "Whoa! Ex-lax!" when using them. Noodler's Black might give me a crisper line than Legal Lapis, though. I haven't tried Aircorps Blue Black, but suspect it's not a ringer for Zhivago even though it has a green tinge. I think Bay State Blue is the one people warn about, and sometimes perhaps reds (with many brands).
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 03:56

I've had Noodler's Navy, Dostoevsky, and Legal Lapis in my Safari - no problems.

Aircorp blue black and Zhivago might look similar on a monitor, but are easy to tell apart in real life. The difference between the teal in ACBB and grey-green in Zhivago is pretty apparant. I've used both in my journal entries, and it's easy to tell which entry was written with which.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 04:37

My Safari is currently loaded with Polar Black and it has had Polar blue loaded as well. Writes great. My only complaint is that the nib sizes are actually huge. One size up from what I was used to writing with. That is not a real problem, just something to know.
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 04:38

I've used Bulletproof Black and Empire Red in my Safari with no problems. The Empire Red did tend to dry out easily, but that's more an ink issue than a pen issue. Safaris are generally easy to please.
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 11:16

I have a Safari always inked with bulletproof black, and don't flush with water in between fills but haven't had any problems these past months since its been inked.

Looking to exchange ink samples! Available: Noodler's Bulletproof Black, Noodler's 54th Massachusetts, Noodler's Black Swan in English Roses, Noodler's Bad Belted Kingfisher, Noodler's Operation Overlord Orange

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 13:16

I also use Noodler's on my Safaris. No problems here.
Although I have heard the BSB is not good for Safaris.
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 13:28

La Reine Mauve stained the section of my Vista, but that's probably to be expected (purple bulletproof ink in a clear pen = unpleasantness). Otherwise i've had no issues with either LRM or Noodler's Black (the only two Noodler's inks I own) in it. Both seem to increase its already smooth writing, neither makes it intolerably wet (although both do make it write a little 'wetter' than it does with some inks, but as it's got a pretty standard flow, that's no big deal). LRM creeps like nobody's business, Black seems fairly uncreepy with my Lamy M and 1.1 italic nibs.
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 13:34

I am trying out different inks in my Lamy Studio EF and found that Noodler's Walnut is an excellent Brown and I love the way it looks. However, I experienced more nib creep than I wanted. I am a newb so I didn't know if it was the ink or the pen. I filled it with Caran d'Ache Carbon a few days ago and have not seen any creep at all. The Walnut is too nice of a color to give up so I know I will be using it again, even with the creep. Not to mention the price difference between the Caran d'Ache and Noodlers!

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 14:46

I am very fond of the FPN Starry Night ink in my charcoal XF Safari. I also like Pinstripe Homage in a F Safari. That one is an Art Brown exclusive. Samples of both are indexed in the ink review section.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 15:38

QUOTE (prth8machine @ Apr 29 2009, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (passenger @ Apr 30 2009, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello,

I am going to purchase my very first Lamy Safari (with fine nib) this weekend and need to know if Noodler's inks work well with this pen. I have my heart set on Zhivago, but if that one's sold out I plan on getting Aircorp Blue-Black. These two are near bulletproof and since I've only used non-waterproof inks so far, I am a little anxious whether the inks will stain/damage/clog the pen in any way.

Also please tell me if the Safari with Noodler's ink will write dry or wet and if there's a possibility for the pen to skip.

BTW, I find the name Aircorp Blue-Black to be misleading. Based on the scans I've seen the colour is more green-black (maybe kind of like Zhivago?).

Hope to see your replies soon cool.gif


I've only recently started using a LAMY Al-Star and have put Aircorp Blue-Black. Mine is an XF nib, and I haven't really enjoyed the experience all that much since using the Aircorp. I'll agree that it is green-black, but only sometimes. Other times it's almost completely black. The next time, it's a perfect blue-black. It seems to make a difference if you shake the ink well before you fill the pen, and then I lightly shake the pen before I use it. With my XF nib, the noodler's still puts down a pretty wet line. If you'd like, I'll take some photos of it so you can see how it puts the ink out. As for the pen itself, it's very comfortable to hold. I'm a little disappointed with how wide the line it puts down, but overall, I can't say it has been a bad experience. It's been fun to learn about the pens, and I'll certainly try out more.


I'm the opposite. I try not to shake a bottle of ink because I'm fussy when it comes to leftover ink on the rim.

Please do upload photos of your sample writing using Lamy XF with Aircorp Blue-Black. I'm curious to know what the exact colour of ACBB is after you shake the bottle and the filled pen, and to a lesser degree, how thick a line the XF nib writes though I'm pretty sure a fine nib that writes like a medium will be ok with me.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 15:44

QUOTE (Pippin60 @ Apr 29 2009, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (passenger @ Apr 29 2009, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello,

I am going to purchase my very first Lamy Safari (with fine nib) this weekend and need to know if Noodler's inks work well with this pen. I have my heart set on Zhivago, but if that one's sold out I plan on getting Aircorp Blue-Black. These two are near bulletproof and since I've only used non-waterproof inks so far, I am a little anxious whether the inks will stain/damage/clog the pen in any way.

Also please tell me if the Safari with Noodler's ink will write dry or wet and if there's a possibility for the pen to skip.

BTW, I find the name Aircorp Blue-Black to be misleading. Based on the scans I've seen the colour is more green-black (maybe kind of like Zhivago?).

Hope to see your replies soon cool.gif


I have 3 Lamy's filled with Noodlers ink. 2 Al-Stars and a Safari. Zhivago which is one of my daily inks. A great ink that's a little wet in my Safari using a 1.1mm nib. Another with Heart of Darkness, 1.1mm nib, and lastly Luxury Blue also with a 1.1mm nib. As you can see I like to write with italic nibs. I should also add that I get some nib creep with any Noodlers ink in my Lamy's but I like a nice wet nib.

I also had one filled with the infamous Bay State Blue. I never had a problem with it but I gave in and flushed it.


Nib creeps don't bother me as long as the pen will write smoothly, not skip, and not spit out blobs of ink! glare.gif

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 15:59

QUOTE (limesally @ Apr 29 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've had Noodler's Navy, Dostoevsky, and Legal Lapis in my Safari - no problems.

Aircorp blue black and Zhivago might look similar on a monitor, but are easy to tell apart in real life. The difference between the teal in ACBB and grey-green in Zhivago is pretty apparant. I've used both in my journal entries, and it's easy to tell which entry was written with which.


I checked out the scans of ACBB in this forum again, and I believe you're right. The teal in ACBB is nice, but I prefer the mysterious shading of green in Zhivago. I hope it will still be available on Saturday.

If there were other ink manufacturers that made similar colours like Zhivago AND they were waterproof, I would consider them. But to my knowledge, I don't think such inks exist sad.gif


To everyone else, thanks very much for sharing your thoughts biggrin.gif

But one other question I have in mind is, How does one remove Noodler's near bulletproof and bulletproof ink from one's hands and desk? (Just in case there's an accident!)

Edited by passenger, 30 April 2009 - 16:08.


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Posted 30 April 2009 - 16:24

I have used Diamine Prussian Blue with no issue in my Al-Stars. Other than that I use LAMY Blue/Black
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 16:25

My experience with a yellow Safari and BSB was negative. It went well, at first, other than the staining. Then gunked up the pen and needed disassembly and heavy cleaning. I've had the same experience with BSB with a Hero 100.

However, because I like the colour, I'm keeping the BSB and watching for a pen I'm comfortable risking with it ............ in fact, one just came to mind. My Cross Townsend writes very well with saturated inks, is 20 years old, and truly BULLETPROOF. It writes beautifully, consistently, smoothly.
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 21:49

I have Starry Night Blue in my 2007 LE black Safari and have no problems. Also no problems with Navajoe Turquoise in the same pen.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 23:16

QUOTE (passenger @ Apr 30 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But one other question I have in mind is, How does one remove Noodler's near bulletproof and bulletproof ink from one's hands and desk? (Just in case there's an accident!)


For your hands, shampoo seems to work well (ink spots on my fingers are always much fainter, if not gone entirely, after I wash my hair). Another option is a grit bearing soap like Lava or Boraxo.

For the desk, if it's not a wood surface, just wipe up the spill with a paper towel. Bulletproof inks won't bond to non-cellulose surfaces. If the desk is wood, wipe as quickly as possible; the ink doesn't bond until it dries, but it can be nearly impossible to get ink out of the grain of wood -- the important thing is to keep it wet while you work at it, because while it's wet, it's just colored water -- but once it dries, it's bulletproof...
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Posted 01 May 2009 - 14:42

QUOTE (ZeissIkon @ Apr 30 2009, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (passenger @ Apr 30 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But one other question I have in mind is, How does one remove Noodler's near bulletproof and bulletproof ink from one's hands and desk? (Just in case there's an accident!)


For your hands, shampoo seems to work well (ink spots on my fingers are always much fainter, if not gone entirely, after I wash my hair). Another option is a grit bearing soap like Lava or Boraxo.

For the desk, if it's not a wood surface, just wipe up the spill with a paper towel. Bulletproof inks won't bond to non-cellulose surfaces. If the desk is wood, wipe as quickly as possible; the ink doesn't bond until it dries, but it can be nearly impossible to get ink out of the grain of wood -- the important thing is to keep it wet while you work at it, because while it's wet, it's just colored water -- but once it dries, it's bulletproof...


Thanks for the tip! Ink-stained hands are more scarier than a stained desk in my humble opinion ninja.gif






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