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stevo
In that great search for the perfect notebook known as the "replacement for Moleskine", I've still not managed to win. How about you?

There are two things I want to see:

- Moleskine mid-sized hard bound replacement. The covers go toasty before it's finished and the paper is too thin. Elsewise, I like it.

- Moleskine Cahiers replacement. The covers are ok but really start to smell and get gamey and I really hate the perforated pages. It's like half the notebook is perfed! The larger ones are better, but still those covers.

Here are some of my trys so far:

Mid Sized Hard Bound:

- Clairefontaine Basics: Great paper, decent cover, but soft and no elastic band or marker. Hard to find anything but lined and the lines are way too far apart. Very durable, but nothing in hard bound. The only hard bound Claire's are bright orange and such. Can't they produce a black cover hard bound? I have one for work use and it's pretty solid. Perhaps go to Notabene and get the grid. Still, I'd rather have hard bound.

- Semikolon: Great potential with linen binding, hard cover, marker and elastic band. Paper is awesome thickness and quality, but is laid which means texutred surface. Not so good to write on with a FP I wouldn't think. I'm so tempted to buy one to find out...

- Target Moleskine: Markings? I've seen them, but haven't bought one. I think they had them in grid and blank. Maybe this is that final replacement?

- Quo Vadis: Habana, looks pretty good, but can't find in blank or grid which is my preference. No hands-on experience.

Small Cahiers:

- Field Notes: Very nearly perfect - perfect size for sure, but could use a taped edge like the Apica. Nice grid lined paper, but not always great for all inks and pens. Cover is a little weak but seems to hold up.

- Rhodia: Very good, but a bit small. Great paper and very sturdy cover. Just started one, so not sure about longevity.

- Apica CD5: Too small or too big, nothing at that right size like the Field Notes. Somewhat weak cover stock, squared edges. Paper can be thin, especially in this small book. I use it for certain kinds of notes, but it's thin paper and small size are prohibitive for many things. The next size up is just a bit too big.

Come on! One of these companies needs to step up! The gauntlet is down.

S
BillZ
As far as hard bound goe,I found a line of sketchbooks at Hobby Lobby that go under the name of Leather,etc. Unlined,FP-friendly paper. Here is that to which I am referring http://www.stampeaz.com/index.php?main_pag...products_id=173
Only downside is that they are slightly larger than Ms and amy not fit in a pocket.
Mark Cummins
I have seen discussed here and talked to my store about, the Canteo notebook. Everyone who has tried one, on this side of the Atlantic, has been very pleased. I understand that they are redesigning their product and plan to have their new notebook out in Decemeber. That's the next, and I hope, final Moleskine replacement I will try.

Mark


QUOTE (stevo @ Oct 13 2008, 12:42 AM) *
In that great search for the perfect notebook known as the "replacement for Moleskine", I've still not managed to win. How about you?

There are two things I want to see:

- Moleskine mid-sized hard bound replacement. The covers go toasty before it's finished and the paper is too thin. Elsewise, I like it.

- Moleskine Cahiers replacement. The covers are ok but really start to smell and get gamey and I really hate the perforated pages. It's like half the notebook is perfed! The larger ones are better, but still those covers.

Here are some of my trys so far:

Mid Sized Hard Bound:

- Clairefontaine Basics: Great paper, decent cover, but soft and no elastic band or marker. Hard to find anything but lined and the lines are way too far apart. Very durable, but nothing in hard bound. The only hard bound Claire's are bright orange and such. Can't they produce a black cover hard bound? I have one for work use and it's pretty solid. Perhaps go to Notabene and get the grid. Still, I'd rather have hard bound.

- Semikolon: Great potential with linen binding, hard cover, marker and elastic band. Paper is awesome thickness and quality, but is laid which means texutred surface. Not so good to write on with a FP I wouldn't think. I'm so tempted to buy one to find out...

- Target Moleskine: Markings? I've seen them, but haven't bought one. I think they had them in grid and blank. Maybe this is that final replacement?

- Quo Vadis: Habana, looks pretty good, but can't find in blank or grid which is my preference. No hands-on experience.

Small Cahiers:

- Field Notes: Very nearly perfect - perfect size for sure, but could use a taped edge like the Apica. Nice grid lined paper, but not always great for all inks and pens. Cover is a little weak but seems to hold up.

- Rhodia: Very good, but a bit small. Great paper and very sturdy cover. Just started one, so not sure about longevity.

- Apica CD5: Too small or too big, nothing at that right size like the Field Notes. Somewhat weak cover stock, squared edges. Paper can be thin, especially in this small book. I use it for certain kinds of notes, but it's thin paper and small size are prohibitive for many things. The next size up is just a bit too big.

Come on! One of these companies needs to step up! The gauntlet is down.

S

Zoe
Did your dealer indicate what redesign will take place? I have one, the small A4, I believe, and it is quite lovely. It also is packaged to delight the eyes. However, the paper isn't 100% bleed through proof, but perhaps no journal is unless quite heavy paper is used. Some of the features that make it distinctive is the elastic closure is on the diagonal, it includes a packet of index clips and the cover is quite sturdy.

QUOTE (Mark Cummins @ Oct 13 2008, 10:18 AM) *
I have seen discussed here and talked to my store about, the Canteo notebook. Everyone who has tried one, on this side of the Atlantic, has been very pleased. I understand that they are redesigning their product and plan to have their new notebook out in Decemeber. That's the next, and I hope, final Moleskine replacement I will try.

Mark


QUOTE (stevo @ Oct 13 2008, 12:42 AM) *
In that great search for the perfect notebook known as the "replacement for Moleskine", I've still not managed to win. How about you?

There are two things I want to see:

- Moleskine mid-sized hard bound replacement. The covers go toasty before it's finished and the paper is too thin. Elsewise, I like it.

- Moleskine Cahiers replacement. The covers are ok but really start to smell and get gamey and I really hate the perforated pages. It's like half the notebook is perfed! The larger ones are better, but still those covers.

Here are some of my trys so far:

Mid Sized Hard Bound:

- Clairefontaine Basics: Great paper, decent cover, but soft and no elastic band or marker. Hard to find anything but lined and the lines are way too far apart. Very durable, but nothing in hard bound. The only hard bound Claire's are bright orange and such. Can't they produce a black cover hard bound? I have one for work use and it's pretty solid. Perhaps go to Notabene and get the grid. Still, I'd rather have hard bound.

- Semikolon: Great potential with linen binding, hard cover, marker and elastic band. Paper is awesome thickness and quality, but is laid which means texutred surface. Not so good to write on with a FP I wouldn't think. I'm so tempted to buy one to find out...

- Target Moleskine: Markings? I've seen them, but haven't bought one. I think they had them in grid and blank. Maybe this is that final replacement?

- Quo Vadis: Habana, looks pretty good, but can't find in blank or grid which is my preference. No hands-on experience.

Small Cahiers:

- Field Notes: Very nearly perfect - perfect size for sure, but could use a taped edge like the Apica. Nice grid lined paper, but not always great for all inks and pens. Cover is a little weak but seems to hold up.

- Rhodia: Very good, but a bit small. Great paper and very sturdy cover. Just started one, so not sure about longevity.

- Apica CD5: Too small or too big, nothing at that right size like the Field Notes. Somewhat weak cover stock, squared edges. Paper can be thin, especially in this small book. I use it for certain kinds of notes, but it's thin paper and small size are prohibitive for many things. The next size up is just a bit too big.

Come on! One of these companies needs to step up! The gauntlet is down.

S


nkk
Wait...why is Canteo being redesigned? I love mine (grid A4), and see no reason to change much. Oh well, if they keep the good paper and cover, I guess I do not care too much.

-Nkk

P.S. Sorry for hijacking the thread...
lapis
Well, I don't know if this is any "solution" to any seach for "replacments", but I have finally decided on the Moleskine volant extra small (or whatever the size is called, 6.5 x 10 cm).
It's perfect for my T-shirt pocket, I like the covers, the paper colour, and their detachability.
This paper is still a notch too smooth and glossy for my needs, but better than Clairefontaine's.

Mike wink.gif
stevo
QUOTE (lapis @ Oct 13 2008, 05:47 PM) *
Well, I don't know if this is any "solution" to any seach for "replacments", but I have finally decided on the Moleskine volant extra small (or whatever the size is called, 6.5 x 10 cm).
It's perfect for my T-shirt pocket, I like the covers, the paper colour, and their detachability.
This paper is still a notch too smooth and glossy for my needs, but better than Clairefontaine's.

Mike wink.gif


Paper that is better than Clairefontaine? Do tell!

S
Margana
Check out Blackcover and Leuchtturm for more possibilities.
QM2
I have been looking actively for a Moleskine replacement since having been told by a nibmeister that my Moleskines were ruining some of my pens.

After reading this thread, I went to Target and bought a black Markings notebook with graph paper. I will post the same information here as I've just posted on that thread:

The construction of the Markings notebook is nearly the same as the large Moleskine, including the elastic band and the back pocket. But the material used for the cover gives it an entirely different look and feel, so I would not call it a Moleskine clone.

According to the labeling, the cover is "80% leather". The rest is "other materials". The paper is similar to Moleskine, but smoother. The notebooks come with blank, lined and grid paper.

I like these notebooks and could see myself using them -- except for one thing: This effect is so subtle that it is almost imperceptible, but most of my pens skip over the grid-lines ever so slightly. You can't really see this in the finished writing, but I can feel it during the act of writing. The grid lines feel glossier and more slippery than the paper itself, and I would bet that the ink is not getting properly deposited over them. I will write in the notebook for a while and see to what extent it bothers me. Has anybody else experienced this with grid papers?
Bill
Check out the Readables Naturals line. The paper is not much better than the 'Skines but they come in both the small and middle sizes, have the same features, are cheaper, and you can keep them organized by color of cover. The now-discontinued (NOS, maybe?) Barnes & Noble Chinese clones had the best paper. I am hoarding my remaining stock ;-)

The "leather" Markings notebooks sure look classier than the Moleskines, but I find the paper quite unfriendly with the FP/ink combos I use. The same inks look thinner and less saturated in the Markings.

But my current favorite non-Moleskine style notebook for general use is the Ampad Gold Fibre 5'x8' Writing Pad with ruled, micro-perforated pages in antique ivory. Fantastic looking with P.R. Chocolat or FPN Galileo. Two-side writing capable. Drying times good for such quality paper; much faster than Blank 'n Reds.

Bill
Titivillus
I've done the opposite and found pens that work with Moleskines rather than the other way around. I do have an Apica notebook that I use too which is generally FP friendly

K
biffybeans
To quote Rolf from Canteo: "The production lot for 2009 will be made with a more resistant cover material - longer lasting. What means: better. And some slight revision on the silver embossing seal on the back. But the functions, the goodies and the 100grs FSC-paper will of course remain the same."


QUOTE (Zoe @ Oct 13 2008, 10:24 AM) *
Did your dealer indicate what redesign will take place?

biffybeans
Yes - with the Rhodia pads

QUOTE (QM2 @ Oct 14 2008, 02:58 PM) *
my pens skip over the grid-lines ever so slightly.

win3xp
QUOTE (Bill @ Oct 14 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Check out the Readables Naturals line. The paper is not much better than the 'Skines but they come in both the small and middle sizes, have the same features, are cheaper, and you can keep them organized by color of cover. The now-discontinued (NOS, maybe?) Barnes & Noble Chinese clones had the best paper. I am hoarding my remaining stock ;-)

The "leather" Markings notebooks sure look classier than the Moleskines, but I find the paper quite unfriendly with the FP/ink combos I use. The same inks look thinner and less saturated in the Markings.

But my current favorite non-Moleskine style notebook for general use is the Ampad Gold Fibre 5'x8' Writing Pad with ruled, micro-perforated pages in antique ivory. Fantastic looking with P.R. Chocolat or FPN Galileo. Two-side writing capable. Drying times good for such quality paper; much faster than Blank 'n Reds.

Bill



I quite agree with you about the Ampad Gold Fibre Writing Pads. The Pastels are nice too. I happened to find an old stash in a box with a leather business portfolio. These Ampad products are fairly common. I'll have to look around and Staples for it. Let us know, Bill, where you got yours?

Thanks,

win3xp
lapis
Stevo,

The paper in my Moleskine notebooks is a notch or two too smooth and glossy for my needs.
The paper in my Clairefontaine notebooks is two or three notches too smooth and glossy for my needs.
Maybe my pens' nibs are too smooth.

Mike


nkk
QUOTE (biffybeans @ Oct 14 2008, 04:33 PM) *
To quote Rolf from Canteo: "The production lot for 2009 will be made with a more resistant cover material - longer lasting. What means: better. And some slight revision on the silver embossing seal on the back. But the functions, the goodies and the 100grs FSC-paper will of course remain the same."


QUOTE (Zoe @ Oct 13 2008, 10:24 AM) *
Did your dealer indicate what redesign will take place?



Thank you for clarifying that. I was worrying that my plans for notebooks come 2009 were going to be shattered.

-Nkk
Jersey Diabolo
QUOTE (win3xp @ Oct 15 2008, 12:13 AM) *
QUOTE (Bill @ Oct 14 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Check out the Readables Naturals line. The paper is not much better than the 'Skines but they come in both the small and middle sizes, have the same features, are cheaper, and you can keep them organized by color of cover. The now-discontinued (NOS, maybe?) Barnes & Noble Chinese clones had the best paper. I am hoarding my remaining stock ;-)

The "leather" Markings notebooks sure look classier than the Moleskines, but I find the paper quite unfriendly with the FP/ink combos I use. The same inks look thinner and less saturated in the Markings.

But my current favorite non-Moleskine style notebook for general use is the Ampad Gold Fibre 5'x8' Writing Pad with ruled, micro-perforated pages in antique ivory. Fantastic looking with P.R. Chocolat or FPN Galileo. Two-side writing capable. Drying times good for such quality paper; much faster than Blank 'n Reds.

Bill



I quite agree with you about the Ampad Gold Fibre Writing Pads. The Pastels are nice too. I happened to find an old stash in a box with a leather business portfolio. These Ampad products are fairly common. I'll have to look around and Staples for it. Let us know, Bill, where you got yours?

Thanks,

win3xp


I've gotten Ampad pads at Walmart too.
nunez
This is an Australian company:

http://www.futurebrandproducts.com.au/

but makes what appears to be a decent moleskine. Not sure about availability outside of the country.

I'm trying one now. No FP's (yet) to try, but will report later.

Cheers,
- SteveN

Titivillus
QUOTE (QM2 @ Oct 14 2008, 01:58 PM) *
I have been looking actively for a Moleskine replacement since having been told by a nibmeister that my Moleskines were ruining some of my pens.


I'm curious how this could be possible. Is the paper suppose to be wearing the tipping of the nib or are there fibers clogging up the feed.

It sounds a little odd but I'd love to hear the reasoning behind the warning.


Kurt
zquilts
I really like the paper i the Quo Vadis Habana's. I like the size of the Moleskine large size though ... or maybe I am just really used to it. I am using two Habanas now and will finish them.....if they had a mid size - between their small and large - it would be perfect for me. I love the cover material - soft and warm in the hand. I also like the green angle on their paper production plus it's USA made in upstate New York - an area that, I am sure, is happy for the jobs.
QM2
QUOTE (Titivillus @ Oct 18 2008, 02:22 AM) *
QUOTE (QM2 @ Oct 14 2008, 01:58 PM) *
I have been looking actively for a Moleskine replacement since having been told by a nibmeister that my Moleskines were ruining some of my pens.


I'm curious how this could be possible. Is the paper suppose to be wearing the tipping of the nib or are there fibers clogging up the feed.

It sounds a little odd but I'd love to hear the reasoning behind the warning.


Some of my nibs are ground to needlepoints, or near-needlepoint italics. As a result, naturally they have less tipping left than your average nib. The way I understood it, Moleskine paper has an uneven and somewhat abrasive texture compared to better quality paper. And this abrasiveness is what's wearing those delicate nibs. If you use regular XF+ nibs, this is nothing to worry about. But if you use custom-ground needlepoints, or italics under .4mm, it is something to be aware of. This falls in line with a thread started by someone recently (unfortunately I do not remember the name and cannot find the post), where the person described holding the paper to the light and seeing a texture similar to rough particle board or plywood.
Titivillus
QUOTE (QM2 @ Oct 17 2008, 11:08 PM) *
Some of my nibs are ground to needlepoints, or near-needlepoint italics. As a result, naturally they have less tipping left than your average nib. The way I understood it, Moleskine paper has an uneven and somewhat abrasive texture compared to better quality paper. And this abrasiveness is what's wearing those delicate nibs. If you use regular XF+ nibs, this is nothing to worry about.


I guess I don't know whether to wonder if the grinding of the nib is the problem since there should be enough tipping to last.

oh well i guess I don't have to worry about anything!

thanks for the reply,

Kurt
de Servantes
I think I found my Moleskine replacement, at least for the hard cover squared pocket notebook. I picked it up at a local greeting cards shop (they sell all sorts of cheesy, campy cheap design stuff). It's by a German company called Out of the Blue (www.ootb.de - search for article nr. 29=3197, has an elastic band over the cover, a ribbon bookmark and a pocket at the back. Paper is 80 gr cream-coloured acid free.

The cover is made of what I believe to be imitation leather (I could not yet find out what material it is made of), and they come in a variety of colours (black, tan, purple, green).

The paper seems to react well to the pen/ink combinations I've tried so far (wet-writing P51 with WM Havana, dry-writing Kaweco Sport with MB Sepia, Lamy Safari 1.1mm italic with FPN Starry Night and a juicy VP Italifine .9mm with MB Royal blue): no feathering, bleed-through, and only very little shine-through on the next page.

The best part (for me, at least) is the price: just under 5.00euros, or about 40% of what I have been paying for Moleskines in the cheaper chain-stores around here.

Will drop in back in there on monday, and buy some more of these, I think.


Greetings
Miguel
Silvermink
I picked up a Quo Vadis Habana yesterday and it's quite nice - much nicer paper than a Moleskine. Mine's ruled, but I actually picked up a blank one first (and had the clerk open it before I realized it was blank - doh).

I wanted an orange one, but ended up with red.
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