Hi everyone I am hoping you can help me identify a pen we found. We live in an old house and found this in the wall while remodeling. It is a black fountain pen with 2 gold bands. One has the word Nana inscribed in it. On the back of the pen it says: PAT 'D. 1884 May 23 1899 (there is a circle in the center)
Waterman's Ideal Fountain
Pen. N.Y. U.S.A. & Aug 4,1908
On the top of the pen is the number 12 with the letters PSP.
It is in pretty bad shape...no gold tip, cap, and the clip is missing. I can't seem to find out a whole lot about it so hope you can help me or point me in the right direction.
You wouldn't believe the stuff we have found in our walls. LOL
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Full Version: Hi...We found this pen
No clue, but this is part of what makes remodeling so wonderful. Especially in an older home. Reminds me of the show If Walls Could Talk. Nowadays, most ppl throw out stuff.
How about a photo?
Erick
Erick
I've never seen documentation for a PSP suffix, but PSF (for Pocket Self Filler) is well known. The difference between a 12SF and a 12PSF is that the 12PSF would have a screw cap while the 12SF's cap slips on.
Waterman made two models that it called 12PSF, one a coin filler and the other a lever filler. The coin filler would have a plain slot cut into the side of the barrel to allow the user to fill the pen by pressing a coin into the slot; the lever filler would have a metal lever mounted in a metal box, and there would be notches at each end of the slot if the lever assembly were missing. (The 1908 patent date implies a coin filler.)
The two gold bands added the designation GM (Gold Mounted) to the complete model name, so in the catalog (but not on the pen itself) the model would be 12PSF GM.
Waterman made two models that it called 12PSF, one a coin filler and the other a lever filler. The coin filler would have a plain slot cut into the side of the barrel to allow the user to fill the pen by pressing a coin into the slot; the lever filler would have a metal lever mounted in a metal box, and there would be notches at each end of the slot if the lever assembly were missing. (The 1908 patent date implies a coin filler.)
The two gold bands added the designation GM (Gold Mounted) to the complete model name, so in the catalog (but not on the pen itself) the model would be 12PSF GM.
QUOTE (ffmarshall @ Oct 12 2008, 09:22 PM) 
Hi everyone I am hoping you can help me identify a pen we found. We live in an old house and found this in the wall while remodeling. It is a black fountain pen with 2 gold bands. One has the word Nana inscribed in it. On the back of the pen it says: PAT 'D. 1884 May 23 1899 (there is a circle in the center)
Waterman's Ideal Fountain
Pen. N.Y. U.S.A. & Aug 4,1908
On the top of the pen is the number 12 with the letters PSP.
It is in pretty bad shape...no gold tip, cap, and the clip is missing. I can't seem to find out a whole lot about it so hope you can help me or point me in the right direction.
You wouldn't believe the stuff we have found in our walls. LOL
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Waterman's Ideal Fountain
Pen. N.Y. U.S.A. & Aug 4,1908
On the top of the pen is the number 12 with the letters PSP.
It is in pretty bad shape...no gold tip, cap, and the clip is missing. I can't seem to find out a whole lot about it so hope you can help me or point me in the right direction.
You wouldn't believe the stuff we have found in our walls. LOL
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Perhaps PSF rather than PSP.
regards
david
Photographs would help a lot, but just from your description the pen sounds like it may be beyond saving.
Let's not let hope escape so quickly! Replacement points can be found without too much trouble and at a reasonable expense. It's not impossible to find a cap of the right sort, and I wager one or two of our more serious collectors here would be able to turn up all the necessaries from donor pens whose barrels have met with tragedy. Even without the cap, a replacement point makes a passable dip-pen with good writing characteristics and a dickens of a back-story.
QUOTE (Ernst Bitterman @ Oct 13 2008, 10:47 AM)
Let's not let hope escape so quickly! Replacement points can be found without too much trouble and at a reasonable expense. It's not impossible to find a cap of the right sort, and I wager one or two of our more serious collectors here would be able to turn up all the necessaries from donor pens whose barrels have met with tragedy. Even without the cap, a replacement point makes a passable dip-pen with good writing characteristics and a dickens of a back-story.
I like the way you think Ernst!
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