I had a new M1000 with a F nib. I liked it but not to the extent of what was described here in this forum.
Perhaps it was the F nib that did not do the justice. Or, I was looking for almost a wet noodle, perhaps.
The lines were fine and good, but I have other pens that give as much fun in fine width with a good flex.
My M800's M nib is a new one but it still is stiff and dry. And I find it more in my display case sitting pretty.
Yet, F nib on M605 writes a beauty and lays relatively wet lines while an OM nib gives a beautiful strokes.
I have sold off my M1000 after 2 pages and contemplating whether to get another nib for M800 or to let go.
What should I do for my M800 to bring out its vast potential as the dream pen many talk about in this forum?
And, what nib should I get for my M1000 if my experiment with M800 turns out OK?
I am looking for good flex and F/M size. Do the nibs come in IF/IM in these?
Thak you for your help..
Alan
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You won't find any non-customized, modern nib that is a wet noodle. My experience (5 or 6 different nibs) with M1000's is that the nibs are springy, and give like semi-flex nibs, but there is not the line variation of a flex nib. That is, the tines do not spread when they bend.
You may want to try what I did with an M800- have it customizesd by one of the nibmeisters to add flex. I have a flex-stub nib that gives as much variation as all but the noodle-y-est vintage nibs. The incremental cost of this work over that of a M800 is really not that much. The same could be done for a M1000 if that is the size of pen you want.
Regards, greg
You may want to try what I did with an M800- have it customizesd by one of the nibmeisters to add flex. I have a flex-stub nib that gives as much variation as all but the noodle-y-est vintage nibs. The incremental cost of this work over that of a M800 is really not that much. The same could be done for a M1000 if that is the size of pen you want.
Regards, greg
QUOTE (peter pen @ Oct 4 2008, 12:30 PM) 
I had a new M1000 with a F nib. I liked it but not to the extent of what was described here in this forum.
Perhaps it was the F nib that did not do the justice. Or, I was looking for almost a wet noodle, perhaps.
The lines were fine and good, but I have other pens that give as much fun in fine width with a good flex.
My M800's M nib is a new one but it still is stiff and dry. And I find it more in my display case sitting pretty.
Yet, F nib on M605 writes a beauty and lays relatively wet lines while an OM nib gives a beautiful strokes.
I have sold off my M1000 after 2 pages and contemplating whether to get another nib for M800 or to let go.
What should I do for my M800 to bring out its vast potential as the dream pen many talk about in this forum?
And, what nib should I get for my M1000 if my experiment with M800 turns out OK?
I am looking for good flex and F/M size. Do the nibs come in IF/IM in these?
Thak you for your help..
Alan
Perhaps it was the F nib that did not do the justice. Or, I was looking for almost a wet noodle, perhaps.
The lines were fine and good, but I have other pens that give as much fun in fine width with a good flex.
My M800's M nib is a new one but it still is stiff and dry. And I find it more in my display case sitting pretty.
Yet, F nib on M605 writes a beauty and lays relatively wet lines while an OM nib gives a beautiful strokes.
I have sold off my M1000 after 2 pages and contemplating whether to get another nib for M800 or to let go.
What should I do for my M800 to bring out its vast potential as the dream pen many talk about in this forum?
And, what nib should I get for my M1000 if my experiment with M800 turns out OK?
I am looking for good flex and F/M size. Do the nibs come in IF/IM in these?
Thak you for your help..
Alan
I'd send both to Richard. maybe one at a time to wait the 6 months (or whatever) until you get the first one back.
I myself, personally would rather do that than consider which new pen to buy next!
Mike
I myself, personally would rather do that than consider which new pen to buy next!
Mike
Well this is hard to reply on but I'll have to give it a shot and FAST!
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
I have 5 Pelikans and find all the various nibs to be quite firm and unbending. I don't think you will find what you are looking for with having a nibmeister's help.
QUOTE (lapis @ Oct 4 2008, 03:53 PM)
Well this is hard to reply on but I'll have to give it a shot and FAST!
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
Whoa! Wait a minute. Standard Charleston nibs are flexy?
If this is so, then that Ivory I drooled over just got a lot closer to the house.
thanks,
-jon
I suppose that M800 being the best pen all around, is that mean that the pen writes well and lays a wet line every time?
I mean, the nib for M800 is rather stiff. I think M200 steel nib probably is more flexible than M800..
Even when I put some pressure on M800, tines are resisting to open up..
Although I worked on that M800 with more patience and seemed to improve a bit, it still is dry and not so charming..
So.. binderized nib is the way to go to add some flex?
Alan
I mean, the nib for M800 is rather stiff. I think M200 steel nib probably is more flexible than M800..
Even when I put some pressure on M800, tines are resisting to open up..
Although I worked on that M800 with more patience and seemed to improve a bit, it still is dry and not so charming..
So.. binderized nib is the way to go to add some flex?
Alan
QUOTE (lapis @ Oct 4 2008, 03:53 PM)
Well this is hard to reply on but I'll have to give it a shot and FAST!
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
Do you write with authority, I mean, with a firm pressure?
QUOTE (escribo @ Oct 4 2008, 02:23 PM)
QUOTE (lapis @ Oct 4 2008, 03:53 PM)
Well this is hard to reply on but I'll have to give it a shot and FAST!
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
You don't have to get everything customized (except maybe a MB).
My Charleston and 51 and Crest all write like wet noodles, although they were NEVER at the tailor!
Mike
Whoa! Wait a minute. Standard Charleston nibs are flexy?
If this is so, then that Ivory I drooled over just got a lot closer to the house.
thanks,
-jon
I've only written with one Charleston, but it is definitely NOT flexible.
greg
Men, I'm sorry to have overlooked your questions (I thought I couldn't really add anything new here)...
Jon: Nope, my Charleston is not at all flexy, just very smooth and very very wet. And I love its "ivory" finish!
Peter: Nope as well. I don't write at all with any real pressure (I think). That's what all the smoothness is about. Only my Crest glides better. Both almost write by themselves (well, a bit anyways).
To anybody here: I originally wanted to buy a Phileas. But after having tried out same and then a Charleston, I immediately bought the Charleston alone. The C. costed (only?) about 3 times as much as the P. but was and is IMO a much better writer. And, to repeat, still affordable (IMO).
Mike
Jon: Nope, my Charleston is not at all flexy, just very smooth and very very wet. And I love its "ivory" finish!
Peter: Nope as well. I don't write at all with any real pressure (I think). That's what all the smoothness is about. Only my Crest glides better. Both almost write by themselves (well, a bit anyways).
To anybody here: I originally wanted to buy a Phileas. But after having tried out same and then a Charleston, I immediately bought the Charleston alone. The C. costed (only?) about 3 times as much as the P. but was and is IMO a much better writer. And, to repeat, still affordable (IMO).
Mike
Comments.
(1) My Charleston "M" is stiff, no flex, nor do I believe that Waterman France intends it to have any.
(2) I thought I had seen comments by grinders that it was not possible to regrind any modern nibs to "wet noodle" as the alloys would not tolerate it and the architecture used in modern nib stamps were not conducive to such flex.
Also isn't there a comment over at Moltishaw's site that although he could put an amount of flex in the old 14K M800 nib, the updated 18K alloy was not conducive to such treatment? Which of course would indicate to me that the manufactures do not wish to cooperate in the practice of getting flexi in their nibs.
(1) My Charleston "M" is stiff, no flex, nor do I believe that Waterman France intends it to have any.
(2) I thought I had seen comments by grinders that it was not possible to regrind any modern nibs to "wet noodle" as the alloys would not tolerate it and the architecture used in modern nib stamps were not conducive to such flex.
Also isn't there a comment over at Moltishaw's site that although he could put an amount of flex in the old 14K M800 nib, the updated 18K alloy was not conducive to such treatment? Which of course would indicate to me that the manufactures do not wish to cooperate in the practice of getting flexi in their nibs.
I must ammend...
I thought that the term "wet noodle" meant that the thing just wrote as if it were indeed truly wet and soft.
My Charleston and Crest and/or the nibs thereof are (i.e. write) in a really wet manner, but I must fess up to the fact that they do in no way bend over or hang out like an honestly very wet piece of easily manouverable spaghetti. Sorry for my lack of English here.
Miguel
I thought that the term "wet noodle" meant that the thing just wrote as if it were indeed truly wet and soft.
My Charleston and Crest and/or the nibs thereof are (i.e. write) in a really wet manner, but I must fess up to the fact that they do in no way bend over or hang out like an honestly very wet piece of easily manouverable spaghetti. Sorry for my lack of English here.
Miguel
QUOTE (lapis @ Oct 5 2008, 06:11 PM)
I must ammend...
I thought that the term "wet noodle" meant that the thing just wrote as if it were indeed truly wet and soft.
My Charleston and Crest and/or the nibs thereof are (i.e. write) in a really wet manner, but I must fess up to the fact that they do in no way bend over or hang out like an honestly very wet piece of easily manouverable spaghetti. Sorry for my lack of English here.
Miguel
I thought that the term "wet noodle" meant that the thing just wrote as if it were indeed truly wet and soft.
My Charleston and Crest and/or the nibs thereof are (i.e. write) in a really wet manner, but I must fess up to the fact that they do in no way bend over or hang out like an honestly very wet piece of easily manouverable spaghetti. Sorry for my lack of English here.
Miguel
Ha,
I will be in your neck of woods next week for a business trip,
flying into Munich and staying at Regensburg/Nuremburg area.
I am planning a day off on Saturday at Berlin before flying home.
Any place you recommend to hang out for a penholic?
I am sure that I will be checking out the Octoberfest in the area as well..
Having a pen that lays a wet line consistently will always be envied for many..
Regards,
Alan
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