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jack shephard
hello FPN-ers!

my main hobby since finding this wonderful place has slowly but surely become lurking day and night. and of course it was inevitable that i have become thoroughly captivated with this flex nib people talk about. while it seems to produce beautiful results, the concensus seems to be that it is difficult to learn and use. i would like to give it a try. richard's nibs have been calling out to me for quite a while and this seems like the perfect opportunity, but i fear that i may never master the art and the $$$ (and richard's work, more importantly thumbup.gif) will go to waste. is there a cheaper solution? should i just go for it and learn how to use the damn thing no matter how difficult it is? or should i just stick to my stiff nibs rolleyes.gif? i look forward to and appreciate your input.

jack
davisgt
You might try to win a vintage Waterman 52 or something similar with a #2 nib on Ebay. The #2 nibs are quite flexible, most of the time, and you might spend less money there than on a new or renewed nib from a nibmeister. Of course, the problem with this plan is that the nib will more than likely not write as smoothly as a Binder nib, but you'll have to take your chances. Also, the sac will more than likely be ossified, so it will need to be replaced. A better option might be the Waterman 12 eyedropper, which wouldn't require a sac replacement.

At least you'd have the opportunity to try a flexy nib and see if you like it, before you spend the money on one from a nibmeister.

Todd
Shangas
Cheapest solution:

Buy a dip-pen with flexible nibs. A simple, but workable dip-pen & nibs cost peanuts and they can last for a while, too.
jbb
QUOTE (Shangas @ Aug 23 2008, 09:24 PM) *
Cheapest solution:

Buy a dip-pen with flexible nibs. A simple, but workable dip-pen & nibs cost peanuts and they can last for a while, too.

I'm with Shangas on this one: a dip pen is the cheapeast way to experiment with a flex nib. I got completely hooked on writing with dip pens and split my writing 50-50 with fountain pens now. thumbup.gif
jack shephard
i think i'll go with the dip pen idea. thank you everyone! but now, forgive my ignorance... where can one go about buying a dip pen?

jack
simonrob
QUOTE (jack shephard @ Aug 24 2008, 05:05 AM) *
hello FPN-ers!

my main hobby since finding this wonderful place has slowly but surely become lurking day and night. and of course it was inevitable that i have become thoroughly captivated with this flex nib people talk about. while it seems to produce beautiful results, the concensus seems to be that it is difficult to learn and use. i would like to give it a try. richard's nibs have been calling out to me for quite a while and this seems like the perfect opportunity, but i fear that i may never master the art and the $$$ (and richard's work, more importantly thumbup.gif) will go to waste. is there a cheaper solution? should i just go for it and learn how to use the damn thing no matter how difficult it is? or should i just stick to my stiff nibs rolleyes.gif? i look forward to and appreciate your input.

jack


It all rather depends what you mean by "difficult to learn and use" and what you want to do with the nib. If you're referring to creating copperplate, etc., yes, that's a specific skill you will need to learn, but you don't *have* to do that with a flexible nib - you can just write "normally" with it saving its special effects for, well, special effects (or you could create your own style, or just have fun doodling with it). Flexible nibs come in a wide range of tip sizes, from extremely fine to extremely broad, and how easy they are to write with depends in part on the size of the tip (for my taste, ultrafine tips are nasty to write with, too sharp and scratchy; I've given up on some dip nibs for that reason). But if you want to be able to do copperplate, you will need a nib that's very fine before you start flexing it, so you'll have to decide what you want to do with the nib. This is a good reason own more than one pen with a flexible nib - very fine for when you want to be able to create very fine lines, broader when you want to "just write with it"; you can also go nuts and get a nib that's flexible and italic/oblique - there are great vintage German pens which offer that combination). Oh, and you're not necessarily "wasting" a nib's flex ability if you don't do copperplate etc. with it - flexible nibs provide a very comfortable "ride" when you're just writing with them (though if that's all you ever plan to do, spending a lot of money on, say, a vintage Waterman with a Pink nib would perhaps be a bit silly).

As for which are cheaper solutions, it again depends on what you want. If you want to be able to do good copperplate etc., you will need a pen with a very fine nib, quite a lot of flex, and fast "return" (i.e., which snaps back to very fine as soon as you stop flexing it). Lots of vintage pens provide this combination of features, but hardly any of them have any sort of label telling you which are which (there are exceptions, such as Waterman's Pink, Red, and Brown nibs, but they made lots of nibs like that with no marking at all); so unless you can rely on the seller or can test them in person, vintage pens are rather a gamble. The cheapest solution may be to send a pen you already have to Richard Binder for conversion to a flex nib (you would need to consult him first to make sure you have something suitable; a Pelikan with a 14K nib would work, for instance).

If you want flex but aren't so much interested in being able to create very fine lines and/or fast return, there are far more options, not only vintage (e.g. lots of English Mabie Todd Swans) but also modern (you can get a Namiki Falcon or Pilot Custom 74 with a "soft" nib for c. $100; I don't think I would recommend a Pilot Custom with a FA nib as a first pen because although these can be fiddled with to write almost as well as, say, a Waterman Pink nib, getting there is not cheap).

Simon
jbb
QUOTE (jack shephard @ Aug 24 2008, 09:36 AM) *
i think i'll go with the dip pen idea. thank you everyone! but now, forgive my ignorance... where can one go about buying a dip pen?

jack


Ebay and Pendemonium.com are great sources for buying dip pens. If you PM me maybe we can work something out too.
lefty928
QUOTE (jack shephard @ Aug 24 2008, 12:36 PM) *
i think i'll go with the dip pen idea. thank you everyone! but now, forgive my ignorance... where can one go about buying a dip pen?

jack

jbb is a great contact to have, and for commercial online vendors, there's paperandinkarts.com and johnnealbooksellers.com -- one nib is a couple dollars or less (but you'll probably want more, they don't last forever) and I don't know how much an oblique penholder is -- as a lefthander, I use the very cheap Speedball straight penholders, and perhaps for everyday writing, that's all you'd need? John Neal, and probably Brenda, offer sets they've assembled for beginners, too, but that might be overkill. I think the category would be under supplies and then either Copperplate or Spencerian ... John Neal has some nib descriptions under that Spencerian category. Both stores answer questions by phone and e-mail. I've been told that Michaels sometimes sells flexible nibs, but can't vouch for that, and not sure they would carry the optimum brands.
caliken
I agree with Shangas and JBB. Buy a penholder and some dip nibs and experiment. This is a lot cheaper than going straight for a fountain pen, and you'll soon know if flexible nibs are right for you. There's a great choice of nibs easily available - Gillott 303, Hunt 101 or Leonardt Principal EF, for example. For instructions on their usage, go to the IAMPETH site.
Shangas
Or, if it's possible, go to your nearest sizable art-supplies shop. March in and ask to be directed towards the calligraphy section. If the art-shop's any good, it should have a supply of different nibs and holders, either sold separately (so that you may pick out what you want), or sold in calligraphy-kits.
jack shephard
Thank you everyone! I will consider my options (that you have all so kindly given me) and let you know what I decide to do. If things go well, maybe I will post something on the penmanship forum too.

Shangas: ha! I've almost forgotten that there are physical stores out there. Thanks for the reminder roflmho.gif
Sailor Kenshin
QUOTE (jack shephard @ Aug 25 2008, 03:14 PM) *
Thank you everyone! I will consider my options (that you have all so kindly given me) and let you know what I decide to do. If things go well, maybe I will post something on the penmanship forum too.

Shangas: ha! I've almost forgotten that there are physical stores out there. Thanks for the reminder roflmho.gif



Let me know when you do---I looooves to look at writing samples. thumbup.gif
Shangas
Hehehe, never forget the local art shop, my friend. That's where I bought my first set of nibs & holder, one day when I was interested in dip-pens again.
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