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Neill78
Here's my handwritten (Lamy 2000 EF) review of this fantastic black ink. I bought it at Tokyu Hands, Nagoya, Japan for 1575 yen; a bit more than double the price of regular Sailor ink. I've heard you can get it at some import shops online for the sky high price of $30. I was happy to pay 1575 yen because "normal" ink here in Canada is usually about $12, but $30 is a bit steep, IMO.

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This should give you an idea of the crispness this ink gives, even on this highly textured paper. It's pretty amazing! One thing some people may not like is that this ink has a very matte finish and reflects light the same way as India ink, Chinese ink, or Japanese sumi ink. Thus, although it is probably as black as you can possibly get, in some lighting it looks pale. Personally I kind of like how it seems to meld with the paper.

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The ink sticks to my Lamy 2000's nib. It looks like nib creep, but it's worse. You may be able to see the ink stuck at the base of the nib near the hood. The good news is that it washes off easily when rinsing out the pen, but I can never seem to get it all off with a tissue or Q-tip. I usually end up pulling more out! I dipped a couple other pens with steel nibs in this ink and it didn't stick like this at all.

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Here's a smudge test - a good hard rub with a Q-tip. By 15 seconds the smudging is barely noticeable.

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The box makes four claims (well, actually six, but they inexplicably combine some):
  1. Waterproof
  2. Won't clog, makes a sharp line
  3. Won't bleed or show through
  4. The best for official documents

After using this ink, I'd say they're all true. You can get some bleeding on certain very fibrous papers -- the kind that also clog your nib with paper bits, which you're unlikely to be writing on with a fountain pen in the first place. There's very little show-through even on very thin paper. As for clogging, I have been using Kiwaguro in my Lamy 2000 for 3 months straight now without flushing out my pen. No problems at all (except for my dirty looking nib). As I mentioned in the hand-written portion of this review, Kiwaguro really lubricates a nib. My Lamy 2000 was already super smooth, and the first time I filled it with Kiwaguro I couldn't control my pen. You might notice that some of my lines look a little shaky at the start of the review -- that's because I haven't used it for a few days and it takes me a minute to get a handle on the slipperiness.

One interesting and nice thing about this ink is that it doesn't stick to plastic at all. It won't get trapped at the top of a converter and it moves quickly around in the Lamy 2000 so I can actually get some use out of the minute ink window. When it flows it leaves no trail behind, and I am positive there is no danger of staining.

This ink smells basically the same as India ink. It reminds me of art classes, and the smell of the charcoal sticks, ink, and drawing paper. It's not very strong unless you put your nose near the bottle while filling.

Here's the water test. I ran the paper (HP 32#) under lukewarm water for 30 seconds. The initial splash pushed off a fair bit of black, but it didn't lighten the words at all. There is a fair bit of ghosting around the letters but they are still perfectly legible. For comparison I used Shaeffer Skrip black which looks like a shadow of its former self, with only blue-grey undertones remaining.

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The bottle is a typical Sailor bottle, which is kind of cute but too shallow.

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THE END!
DwarvenChef
Now thats an interesting looking ink biggrin.gif Just what I need... a search for rare ink biggrin.gif I'd be interested in finding a bottle biggrin.gif
Phthalo
The Ujuku Store has it - great ink, I love it for pen and ink sketching.
Robert
This ink is available in San Francisco (at MaiDo), but I've been reluctant to try it in a normal nib, for fear the carbon bits might cause some damage over the long run. Am I being too cautious?
DwarvenChef
Think MaiDo in Santana Row will have it? No clue about the carbon particules... I'm a carbon steel junkie so I kind of latched onto this by namesake tongue.gif
RLTodd
From "just what I read in the papers"......................

I thought I read that carbon particle clogging was an issue in fountain pens. Further I thought Platinum, who sold a carbon black ink, had a special Carbon Ink Model that had a wider than normal feed channel to prevent clogging.

Since AIR this all came from a source selling Platinum, it could all be sales hype and ignorable. Just thought I would throw it in incase it has validity............

Carry on.............
Neill78
QUOTE (Robert @ Aug 22 2008, 01:38 AM) *
This ink is available in San Francisco (at MaiDo), but I've been reluctant to try it in a normal nib, for fear the carbon bits might cause some damage over the long run. Am I being too cautious?


Yes, you're being too cautious. laugh.gif This ink is specifically designed for fountain pens. The carbon particles are supposed to be so small that they will never clog your pen. Like I said, I haven't had any problems and I haven't flushed for 3 months. I've left it sitting for 2 weeks one time and there was no problem either. It's actually one of the best, most predictable inks I've ever used.

Neill
Neill78
QUOTE (RLTodd @ Aug 22 2008, 09:53 AM) *
From "just what I read in the papers"......................

I thought I read that carbon particle clogging was an issue in fountain pens. Further I thought Platinum, who sold a carbon black ink, had a special Carbon Ink Model that had a wider than normal feed channel to prevent clogging.

Since AIR this all came from a source selling Platinum, it could all be sales hype and ignorable. Just thought I would throw it in incase it has validity............

Carry on.............


I've never used Platinum's carbon ink, so I can't say anything about it, but this ink is supposed to work in any fountain pen. Like I said, it doesn't stick to plastic at all, and doesn't leave any residue in the piston as the level goes down. It rinses off the pen and nib much more easily than regular ink, so I'd be surprised if it would get caught in the feed. It's pretty amazing stuff.

I know there are several people here on FPN (thanks for posting, Phthalo!) so I hope they will chime in with their experiences.

Neill
njwbert
I saw this for sale in my local Kinokuniya but I was being cautions as it was sold in the same area as the dip pens. NOW I am sure this is safe for fountain pens. Many thanks for the helpful review! Now I have a new ink to buy. clap1.gif
Siv
This is my preferred ink but I buy it in carts to use in my Sailor Pro Gear. Where else can you get a nice black waterproof ink in carts?
scratchy
Initially I was cautious about this ink because of the worry of it clogging but I have now been using it for about a month in my Sailor Sapporo F nib and Professional Gear B nib. No problems and like Neill78 says, very smooth. My previous favourite black has been Herbin Perle Noire but I think this Kiwagura is better because of its being waterproof - means I can use it at work to label parcels (yay! rescued from ballpoints!). I find the packaging very attractive and something I have noticed is the paleness that Neill78 mentions seems to be a kind of gold sheen. So far it is a very 'satisfying' ink! happyberet.gif
njwbert
I went out to buy this ink today after reading this review 3 days ago. Fantastic stuff. Love it! My new "go-to" waterproof black.
Neill78
QUOTE (njwbert @ Aug 25 2008, 07:50 AM) *
I went out to buy this ink today after reading this review 3 days ago. Fantastic stuff. Love it! My new "go-to" waterproof black.


Thank you for reading my review and my condolences to your pocketbook.

Neill
Neill78
Just a small update:

I've noticed this ink called "Kiwagura" in several places now and couldn't figure out why, since it's clearly written "kiwaguro" on the box (albeit in Japanese). Just now I was looking at Ujuku's ebay site and noticed that they have it spelled wrong... aha!

極 "kiwa" means "extremely/the most/sublimely" and 黒 "kuro" is the word for "black" in Japanese. "Kuro" becomes "guro" after certain vowels.

So if you are shopping around, it'd be best to search for both "kiwaguro" and "kiwagura" if you want to find the best price.

Neill
njwbert
QUOTE (Neill78 @ Aug 26 2008, 03:43 AM) *
Thank you for reading my review and my condolences to your pocketbook.

Neill


I got it for about US$17 locally, which is not too bad. Just a little over the 1575 yen listed price. Should have got it when I was in Japan recently for a holiday, but I bought inks from the Iroshizoku range instead as that was not available locally. headsmack.gif
blopplop
I Just purchased a bottle through The Ujuku Store. But it was still 28.75 with shipping. Yikes!!
Looking forward to using it.

Dave
ProfMike
QUOTE (blopplop @ Sep 3 2008, 09:50 AM) *
I Just purchased a bottle through The Ujuku Store. But it was still 28.75 with shipping. Yikes!!
Looking forward to using it.

Dave


Hi Dave,

I was searching on Ujuku's site and I wasn't able to click to buy the Kiwaguro ink. I went to the Sailor page and then clicked the "consumables" button, but there was nothing there. Am I missing something obvious or is this just the cosmos telling me that I don't need any more ink!?!? roflmho.gif

Thanks for your ideas!

Mike
blopplop
QUOTE (ProfMike @ Sep 10 2008, 02:25 AM) *
QUOTE (blopplop @ Sep 3 2008, 09:50 AM) *
I Just purchased a bottle through The Ujuku Store. But it was still 28.75 with shipping. Yikes!!
Looking forward to using it.

Dave


Hi Dave,

I was searching on Ujuku's site and I wasn't able to click to buy the Kiwaguro ink. I went to the Sailor page and then clicked the "consumables" button, but there was nothing there. Am I missing something obvious or is this just the cosmos telling me that I don't need any more ink!?!? roflmho.gif

Thanks for your ideas!

Mike



Mike, I emailed them. Then they sent me a paypal invoice which I then paid. Here's the email address I used.

ujuku@mxi.netwave.or.jp

The contact person was Tadashi Yamada

Hope this helps,

Dave
blopplop
I just received my bottle today. Man, what an amazing ink. The color's is great, but the thing I'm amazed about is when I loaded up one of super-soaker wet (med) nibs and wrote on my Moleskin: no feathering at all. Zero.... none. None of my other inks do that on a moleskin with a wide-ish soaked nib.

I don't know how I'll afford it, but this a keeper ink. Thanks for the head's up on this, Neill78.

Dave
blopplop
BTW, Mike. Ordering it the way I told you, the ink was at my door 8 days after I ordered.

Dave
John Cullen
any seller in the US carrying this ink? J
blopplop
QUOTE (John Cullen @ Sep 12 2008, 11:32 AM) *
any seller in the US carrying this ink? J


I looked around (google search) and couldn't find one.

Dave
xmattxyzx
Woops. I swore I saw Fahrney's have this ink one day and the next they didn't. I didn't ask about it, though.
dcwaites
QUOTE (John Cullen @ Sep 13 2008, 02:32 AM) *
any seller in the US carrying this ink? J

eBay vendor engeika sometimes has some in Sailor cartridges. Useful if a) you have a Sailor pen or b ) if you are willing to use a syringe to decant.
US$6 for 12 carts + US$2 for postage.

John Cullen
thanks, the carts sound like a reasonable way to check it out. j
ProfMike
QUOTE (blopplop @ Sep 11 2008, 10:47 PM) *
BTW, Mike. Ordering it the way I told you, the ink was at my door 8 days after I ordered.

Dave


Polite, courteous, and super fast too! Oh dear... Well, I'm off to give Yamada-San some more of the profits from my pen sale tongue.gif

Thanks, Dave!

Cheers,
Mike
Robert
MaiDo in San Francisco carries it. Not sure you'd save much though.

QUOTE (John Cullen @ Sep 12 2008, 08:32 AM) *
any seller in the US carrying this ink? J

blopplop
QUOTE (Robert @ Sep 13 2008, 12:04 AM) *
MaiDo in San Francisco carries it. Not sure you'd save much though.

QUOTE (John Cullen @ Sep 12 2008, 08:32 AM) *
any seller in the US carrying this ink? J




Yes, I had heard that. I couldn't find a web site for them. Guess I was too lazy to call them. Do they have a web site?

Dave
dcwaites
I recently bought a F64 Expedient notebook by Kyokuto. It is described as a stitchless notebook, and really does open flat at any page. The paper seemed nice and smooth, and I assumed that like its cousins the Apica and Campus notebooks, that it would be FP friendly.

I was wrong. It didn't feather at all, but it bled badly with everything I tried on it.

Until I tried one of my Nano ink cartridges. It is brilliant. No feathering, no bleeding, no smearing after 10 seconds.
Even though the paper is very thin, you can hardly see the writing on the other side.

This ink is a good solution for those who are looking for a very well behaved, permanent, quick drying black ink.
The 12 pack of cartridges from engeika on eBay is excellent value for money, compared to the 6 cartridges of Quink you can buy for the same money in stationery shops.

My only beware is that if the pen is not used for a couple of days it writes a little dry for a few words until fresh ink has flowed through the nib.

DwarvenChef
I just looked at Mai Do in SF and Santana Row and they didn't carry it sad.gif But they could order it. Lucky for me really as my wife was with me on that trip tongue.gif
thibaulthalpern
QUOTE (DwarvenChef @ Sep 19 2008, 04:22 PM) *
I just looked at Mai Do in SF and Santana Row and they didn't carry it sad.gif But they could order it. Lucky for me really as my wife was with me on that trip tongue.gif


Well, that saves me a trip to Mai Do in SF! I live 3 hours by public transit from San Francisco so I guess this weekend I'm not going up there.
Garageboy
I hope Art Brown has this
blopplop
QUOTE (Garageboy @ Sep 20 2008, 12:32 AM) *
I hope Art Brown has this



I don't think they do. I looked there online. But maybe I missed it. If they do, please let me know. smile.gif

Dave
ProfMike
QUOTE (thibaulthalpern @ Sep 19 2008, 05:45 PM) *
QUOTE (DwarvenChef @ Sep 19 2008, 04:22 PM) *
I just looked at Mai Do in SF and Santana Row and they didn't carry it sad.gif But they could order it. Lucky for me really as my wife was with me on that trip tongue.gif


Well, that saves me a trip to Mai Do in SF! I live 3 hours by public transit from San Francisco so I guess this weekend I'm not going up there.


For what it's worth, I called MaiDo in SF this morning to see if they carried the Kiwaguro ink. When I got through at around 11:40 this morning, the very polite sales associate searched around and said that they had one bottle available, that they would ship it to me in San Diego, and that they could contact me as soon as they got any more of the ink in stock. Providing I didn't hopelessly miscommunicate the exact ink I wanted - I was having lunch at school and didn't have my notes with the spelling in front of me when I called (I might have spelled Kirogawa... unsure.gif ) - I should be getting a bottle of this lovely stuff within the next couple of days. cloud9.gif

Cheers,
Mike

PS - I was originally going to order this ink from the Ujuku shop, but laziness got the best of me and when I heard that a shop in my own state might carry this ink, I thought it was worth calling to see if the rumors were true. Hopefully the desire for instant gratification - and a few dollar savings - didn't lead me away from a completely reliable, trusted source embarrassed_smile.gif
HDoug
Wow, I have to try this ink. I must have missed this review when it was first posted. But $28 does sound like a lot though...

Doug
Neill78
QUOTE (dcwaites @ Sep 18 2008, 08:49 PM) *
I recently bought a F64 Expedient notebook by Kyokuto. It is described as a stitchless notebook, and really does open flat at any page. The paper seemed nice and smooth, and I assumed that like its cousins the Apica and Campus notebooks, that it would be FP friendly.


I've used a few Kyokuto notebooks and they've ranged from perfect to terrible. Kokuyo is a safer choice. It's not as slick as Apica but behaves as well or better with problem inks/nibs.

Neill
thibaulthalpern
See this thread http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...showtopic=82009 for what Michael Masuyama, former nibmeister at Sailor, has to say about this ink. He gave me permission to post his email on the forum.
HDoug
QUOTE (thibaulthalpern @ Nov 7 2008, 07:23 PM) *
See this thread http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...showtopic=82009 for what Michael Masuyama, former nibmeister at Sailor, has to say about this ink. He gave me permission to post his email on the forum.


Thanks for pointing to this thread. Very interesting and informative. I'm impressed with Mr. Masuyama's response -- especially the time and effort and detail he devoted to it.

Doug


Chris H
This is a fantastic ink!

It is fast drying. Works well on Moleskine as well as cheap 20-lb printer paper and Office Depot legal pads. And it is BLACK.

My nephew is in the far east on business and picked up two bottles for me while he was in Japan.

Wonderful stuff.

Chris


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