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Brian
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Ok, let's just say you were going to try and complete a collection of Waterman 452 and 452 1/2 pens. Just how many of each would you need to have and in what variations?
Pictures?
Brian
Pictures?
Brian
Ok, I thought for sure someone would chime in here on this one. Well, I'll start then and see if anyone can add to or correct this list:
Day and Night
Pansey Panel
Filagree
Basket Weave
Oriental
Sheraton
Gothic
Did they come available without clips? I've seen hand engraved clips as well.
Any others? I'm only thinking 452/452 1/2 here, so no options for 412 or other eyedroppers, and only in black. Might make for a doable mini-collection.
Brian
Day and Night
Pansey Panel
Filagree
Basket Weave
Oriental
Sheraton
Gothic
Did they come available without clips? I've seen hand engraved clips as well.
Any others? I'm only thinking 452/452 1/2 here, so no options for 412 or other eyedroppers, and only in black. Might make for a doable mini-collection.
Brian
I'll bite.
"Filigree" came in two versions. The trefoil pattern, and the more abstract later pattern, often termed "Basketweave" by collectors. Both are properly called "Filigree", however.
"Night and Day" should properly be called "Moderne". Note the very rare variant with alternating barleycorn panels.
Don't forget smooth (not that common!) and Hand Engraved Vine.
There are also various patterns not sold or rarely sold in the USA (e.g., Barleycorn and Commercial -- aka Line and Dot), though it must be noted that French- and English-market overlays typically did not bear a 452 stamp, only 52.
What you can add, as multiplying factors, would be regular vs LEC versions, early production with wide clips vs later production with narrow clips vs clipless versions (mostly for export, but not exclusively).
"Filigree" came in two versions. The trefoil pattern, and the more abstract later pattern, often termed "Basketweave" by collectors. Both are properly called "Filigree", however.
"Night and Day" should properly be called "Moderne". Note the very rare variant with alternating barleycorn panels.
Don't forget smooth (not that common!) and Hand Engraved Vine.
There are also various patterns not sold or rarely sold in the USA (e.g., Barleycorn and Commercial -- aka Line and Dot), though it must be noted that French- and English-market overlays typically did not bear a 452 stamp, only 52.
What you can add, as multiplying factors, would be regular vs LEC versions, early production with wide clips vs later production with narrow clips vs clipless versions (mostly for export, but not exclusively).
QUOTE (Vintagepens @ Aug 14 2008, 10:33 PM) 
Both are properly called "Filigree", however.
Well, actually, David, neither should be called filigree because filigree is wire work. The Waterman patterns are properly called cutwork, but "filigree" is the term that's been attached to that sort of thing on pens.
QUOTE (Richard @ Aug 15 2008, 08:24 AM)
QUOTE (Vintagepens @ Aug 14 2008, 10:33 PM)
Both are properly called "Filigree", however.
Well, actually, David, neither should be called filigree because filigree is wire work. The Waterman patterns are properly called cutwork, but "filigree" is the term that's been attached to that sort of thing on pens.
They shouldn't be called "filigree" -- but they should be called "Filigree". That is the model name Waterman used for their openwork overlays.
look like this?
QUOTE (Glenn-SC @ Aug 15 2008, 08:30 PM)
look like this?
That is an example of the earlier trefoil pattern Filigree.
QUOTE (Vintagepens @ Aug 14 2008, 09:33 PM)
I'll bite.
"Filigree" came in two versions. The trefoil pattern, and the more abstract later pattern, often termed "Basketweave" by collectors. Both are properly called "Filigree", however.
"Night and Day" should properly be called "Moderne". Note the very rare variant with alternating barleycorn panels.
Don't forget smooth (not that common!) and Hand Engraved Vine.
There are also various patterns not sold or rarely sold in the USA (e.g., Barleycorn and Commercial -- aka Line and Dot), though it must be noted that French- and English-market overlays typically did not bear a 452 stamp, only 52.
What you can add, as multiplying factors, would be regular vs LEC versions, early production with wide clips vs later production with narrow clips vs clipless versions (mostly for export, but not exclusively).
"Filigree" came in two versions. The trefoil pattern, and the more abstract later pattern, often termed "Basketweave" by collectors. Both are properly called "Filigree", however.
"Night and Day" should properly be called "Moderne". Note the very rare variant with alternating barleycorn panels.
Don't forget smooth (not that common!) and Hand Engraved Vine.
There are also various patterns not sold or rarely sold in the USA (e.g., Barleycorn and Commercial -- aka Line and Dot), though it must be noted that French- and English-market overlays typically did not bear a 452 stamp, only 52.
What you can add, as multiplying factors, would be regular vs LEC versions, early production with wide clips vs later production with narrow clips vs clipless versions (mostly for export, but not exclusively).
Interesting. Thanks! So, one may be able to reasonably achieve a small mini-collection.
Brian
Guess I'm the only one who has one?
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