I was reading about Tibaldi pens on this thread:

http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...5391&hl=noodler

klemenv wrote a review there and made a passing comment about how he would not use Noodler's or Private Reserve with his Celluloid Tibaldi pen.

Why should you not use Private Reserve or Noodler's in a Celluloid pen?

Hi ChainWhip,

I guess for fear of discolouring the celluloid. However, IME, the only inks you have to beware of with celluloid are red inks, or rather, inks with red dyes, like red inks and violet or purple inks, and even then, not all discolour pens.

The biggest problems are those pens where the celluloid is in direct contact with the ink, but there aren't too many of those around, especially not modern ones. Most have an inner sleeve, to protect the celluloid from the ink.

It is still conceivable that an ink condenses onto the section, though, and if it is a red ink, and the celluloid is a light colour, it may stain from the ink.

HTH, warm regards, Wim

Thanks WIM!

I'm using Noodler's Eternal Brown in my OMAS Celluloid - I wonder if it's got a red component to the ink?

Hi Chainwhip,

Even if it has, I have never encountered any problems with any of the brown inks I used, just the true red ones, and even then only with one.

If anything, I reckon Eternal Brown has very little if any red in it, being a very special ink. Also, the eternal inks rinse off the easiest from a pen. They bond with cellulose, not with celluloid.

Oh, I use many brown inks, I think I have about 16 right now . And I particularly fancy celluloid pens .

Warm regards, Wim

Thanks for the topic and discussion. I love my brown inks and would hate to think I may discolour my pens.

Thanks, Wim! I only have one celluloid--a Stipula Etruria. Guess who influenced *that* purchase...

It's the amber one, and I have PR Copper Burst in it, and had a moment of horror, until I read your reassuring comments.

Warm regards,

Karen

The only pens that I have that ever became discolored were my Pelikan M400 white tortoiseshell and my Laban Kaiser. The staining was all inside the cap, which is not really an issue but still annoying. The Pelikan M400 Tortoiseshell was stained by Waterman Violet and the Laban Kaiser was stained by waterman green. Whatever material is used for the white colored pens seems to be very prone to staining regardless if it was Private Reserve Tanzanite or Waterman Violet

As far as my celluloid pens, I have yet had one stained from any color!!

TNS

Hi,

just want to clarify.

Tibaldi is translucent pen. I have been using PR Plum, PR Spearmint and Ottoman Azure and I have noticed that ink has stained inner side of the barrel. Meaning that on some parts celulloid is no longer translucent. I have been vigorously trying to wash out, and I was partly successfull. Now I am using less saturated inks with Tibaldi.

I also have Omas Arco Brown and I am using only Noodler and PR inks. Arco Brown is less translucent. (But I would never use them in Omas Lucens pen, if I could afford one.)

On second thought, after reading Wim's and Noble's comment I have started to wonder if problem is Tibaldi related?

I also agree with Wim comment on red colour.

The Most staining color I know of is purple and Wing brought up red, which I agree also. I do know if there is a protective coat they use for celluloids to help with maintaining color or stability but maybe Tibaldi is somehow using porous celluloid?

BTW areTibaldi pens still being made or has production completely ceased? Does this account for the unbelievable prices?

TNS

Somebody mentioned, that particles of red pigment are much smaller than particles of other colours, like blue for instance. Because they are smaller, it is easier for them to penetrate into the material.

Tibaldi ceased production couple years ago. Mr. Dubois bought entire stock and stil has some pens to sell. Mainly Modello 60 with EF and F nibs.

What a shame, they are really pretty pens. I am wondering if some one will invest and revive these pens once again? The Celluloid pens are just out of this world. The colors are as nice as some of the OMAS celluloids

I have some discoloration with one of my 991s and I don't think red was in any of the inks (Noodler's green and legal lapis). How do I get it out, it looks like the color is inside the celluloid matrix. Would hydron peroxide do the job? Would that hurt the pen? Hydrogen peroxide is what the use to whiten teeth.

There was some chatter on Pentrace a while back about Robert Dubois having a hand in bringing Tibaldi back:

Pentrace Tibaldi Thread

Here's pic from that Msg:



We can always hope...

Hi,

Honestly, I saw it, and I think it was caused by either Noodler's Green Marine or Legal Lapis. I have the bad feeling that you have to live with it. Once a pen is stained, it is stained for good.

Dillon

Hi Dillon, Centurion,

It was probably the green, in that case. A 991 in my collection has a small stain from Swisher Maroon (red, essentially), and rinsing it took most out. I have just take the pen out of rotation, temporarily, to see if I can get it all out. I´ll report back on that when I have tried a few things.

BTW, if you do want to try peroxide, try it first on a spot somewhere inconspicuous, like the inside of the barrel or cap, to see if it doesn´t affect the celluloid in a harmful way. 1-2 % peroxide is occasionally used for cleaning pens, but I know it can effect certain softer plastics, with rather bad discolouration, f.e., with some of the ribbed sections of Waterman CF pens. Better be safe than sorry!

HTH, warm regards, Wim

Hi,

Exactly what I was thinking, but then again, it probably was my fault to test it with Marine Green (I normally want to use Pelikan Royal blue, but it was requested).

I never use Noodler's or PR in my piston fillers--or any of my pens except for junkers. It is either staining or sediment settling on the nib. Nice colours though.

Dillon

On the sediment front, it'd be ok if the nib/section is easily removable no (i.e. Pelikan)? That way, you'd be able to get into the barrel and perform a more thorough cleaning/rinsing I'd imagine.

So far, we've got the following types of inks that stain celluloid:

1) PR/Noodler's reds/purples/violets (generally agreed on by everybody)
2) Noodler's Marine Green & Legal Lapis (observed by Dillon & Centurion)

Anything else I'm missing here?

Hi,

Noodlers Antietam, Tiananmen, Black, and a few others coat the nib and feed.

Dillon

Hi Chainwhip,

In #1, I have only seen it with Swisher Maroon, but you have to be careful with reds and violets anyway.

In #2, that was the same pen, and I reckon it was the Green, not the Legal Lapis, because I used that in the same model, and didn't have any problems.

BTW, as I found out, I have a very easy and simple solution for the problem: InkNix. Both of my pens with stains were rinsed and flushed last night, and today they were dry. So I applied a little InkNix on the stained spots, and on both pens the stains are gone completely. I am very, very impressed, specially as these spots are dry for quite some time now. Oh, I ordered the InkNix together with a batch of Swisher inks quite a while ago, and this was the first time I ever used it .

I'm very happy! 9 Very highly recommended, IOW!

Warm regards, Wim

Hi Dillon,

But that is generally not a problem. Most inks do.

Warm regards, Wim

Wim-

I'll have to get some of that InkNix then - thanks for sharing the discovery!

Mods: Is there a way to give this man eProps/Rep points?

Hi Chainwhip,
Hey, am I that bad?

BTW, I like that emoticon. Saved it for possible future use .

Warm regards, Wim

Hi,

To be precise, I think it is some kind of precipitate?

Curious--It looks like carbon powder.

Dillon