From the auction

"For auction today I have 1 1st quarter 1945 Double Jewel Buckskin Parker 51 Fountain Pen & mechanical pencil set with the oh so rare Empire Caps. (yeah kids he used the 'R' word). Fine/extrafine 14K, Date code on the nib matches the barrel 1Q 45. The condition of the set is on the better side of good. There is some light wear on the FP barrel, but nothing to get excited over. The FP cap has 1 small ding and 2 tiny pin point flea bites to the left side of the clip. I got the ding in the pic, but the pin points were too small to capture.Solid gold tassie ring & clips stamped with 14K. The FP color is great, the pencil is a little darker but thats just par for the course with these celluloid pencils. They have a habit of turning a litle dark over the years. The pencil is in very good plus condition & has 1 tiny ding left of the clip as well. The FP is NOT restored. If the new owner wants it restored after the auction is okver, we can talk about that.If you have been around fp's more than 5 minutes you know this is the set that just about any collector would sell their kids to get their hands on"

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not sure if it will top the Nassau the other week. I think that this one might top out around $1500-1700.

few dings, I think that it would have benefited to send it to Daniel K. Money well spent, in the long run.

you do know who the seller is... I am pretty sure you do?

As much as I like the pens, I would not feel....right.. bidding on them.

Cheers,
Sean

YUP, now that you mention it I do... and because of that I would'nt feel right bidding on the auction either...

Yeah... its a nice set...
George

I think this is the pen that DWL (pentrace) is selling on consignment for someone. Gorgeous pen no doubt, too much for my pocketbook though. It'll be fun to watch!

Yes it is.

Sean

Seller never wronged me, but it seems that to spend a lot of money on a high end item like this, seems, how do you say it, risky? Seems there are a few people out there pretty vocal about the "past"

I believe in giving a second chance, and giving people the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time, I would be real hesitant to send $1200 + out for this pen and pencil set, that is being sold on consignment, nonetheless.

However, if I was a bona fide interested person in purchasing this set, I would feel better purchasing in person, where cash and item can transfer ownership in the real world. I think that he fairly described the item, and represented it honestly. I hope the seller does well with it. I hope the buyer is happy with their purchase and transaction.

I hope the seller can use this transaction as a basis to show the rest of the community that he is a changed individual, and earn the trust and the respect of the pen community.

I don't get it, the seller has only 1 negative feedback in 12 months, which was this :

ook a month to get item, no answer to some emails, item not shipped when promis
vkhsr ( 162 [Feedback score is 100 to 499] )
May-22-08 14:20


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Reply by vintagedelights001 (May-25-08 17:01):
Sons arm surgeries tied me up, stated in emails. Thanks 4 the compassion & fdbk!


oh wait....

165 transactions in 3 1/2 months, all customer feedback, with the exception of one negative, are glowing feedback. The one negative he did get. The buyer paid a penny for the item and $10 to ship it. Doesn't seem she has much room to cry in my eyes. I've gotten several great buys from him both direct and through ebay. I like his product and services. Until I see him do me wrong first hand I'll remain a customer. Stay away all you like, it just makes the deals all the better for me.

POE

John and POE you are missing a vital piece of information. The seller may have good feedback but does have a history in the pen community.

Sean

I respect your viewpoint, and you are informed, apparently. So I hope things continue to go well. He doesn't tend to sell the things I'm interested in, so it's a moot point for me. We share an interest in discussing pens.

I know about his past problems and also know he is cleaning up his mess. What I don't understand is why so many of you loathe him as you do. Attacking him at every chance found?

Even Jesus forgave the thief while on the cross.

POE

I don't see any attacks here.... what I see is people stating they would not bid on the pen....
Also unless you know the complete history of the seller with the person posting or the actions that took place here on FPN, I don't see how you can comment of their actions....

BTW, none of us on FPN is Jesus.... so that does not count.

Nice pen but well out of my league for now......

hey no prob, I will stop pointing out that the seller has caused issues in the past. Just don't expect any sympathy when he does cause issues again.

Yes, I would like to see him be on the straight and narrow, but there have been too many cycles of issues in the past to discount that possibility from occuring again.

Only trying to point out to those who do not know the seller's history that there may be an issue crop up. We all here try to look out for each other, this is not much different than posting that someone in Thailand who is selling on ebay is not on the up and up and to be wary.

I do hope that DWL gets his stuff together, I really do, as he seems to be a nice fellow. For the record, this is the very first thread that I have ever replied to on FPN or PT regarding this sellers history. I will refrain from doing so again.

Cheers,
Sean

I know of the sellers history... i realized it when I made my first post on this subject relating to the one negative feedback.

Yes, buyer beware.

Split hairs all you like, you know what I'm talking about. I DO know the complete history of DWL. I was reading FPN before he lead the repair forum several years ago. Heck I was a member of rambling snail before that died off. So I do feel I am asqualified as you to comment on the subject.

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Never said the teaching of the savior don't count....
What I said was none of us here is HIM.... BIG DIFFERENCE...
What true colors are you talking about... I would really like to know.... you accusing me of something...
As for the complete history.... why don't you tell me back channel my history with him..... since you are all knowing...
Also to the best of my knowledge and others I have just asked, DWL NEVER LEAD the repair forum....

Thats sure what it sounded like to me.

True colors? You don't want me to go there.

I'll not be back channeling you.

POE

"Also to the best of my knowledge and others I have just asked, DWL NEVER LEAD the repair forum....
Seems your source is misinformed.

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Hi Folks,

Thank you for your enthusiastic participation in the Ask The Experts Forums. When Denis created that category we were hopeful that it would draw more interest as no other pen sites are known to have such forums. Looks like the effort is paying off First of all, we are mighty glad that Dennis Lively could offer his time to lead the Repair Q&A Forum. His was the first Expert Forum that kicked off that Category. And look at it now, thank you Dennis For company, Dennis now have two other experts in their own fields. They are Rob Astyk leading the Pen History Forum and James Pickering leading the penmanship Forum. Thank you Rob and James It is hoped that with these gentlemen leading the expert forums, it would elevate this site to a higher level.

On another note, if members should ever need to report an offending post, just click on the Report Button. The report will go to the Moderators. But I doubt you will need to use it. Pen folks are so well behaved So, what are you waiting for. Go and ask the experts "

Well then the Admin who told me the info might be misinformed... but that was before my time on FPN in 2005....

As for the 'true colors' remark, I do want you to go there back channel.... what are you afraid of.... you made the remark... I want to know what I am being accused of...

Kind of curious.......

How much rehabilitation does he have to go through before he is considered acceptable to the fold again? Or, were the transgressions considered unforgivable?

They are NOT splitting hairs.

They speak of history. You make assumptions as to their thoughts. Naughty.

Spare me the savior stuff. That bromide can be mapped onto anything one wishes and represents emotion rather than history.

It is reasonable for people to wish the best while not forgetting reality. That is sensible.

Enabling behavior seems common by internet writers who sympathize with anyone who wears his heart on his sleeve (again and again and again and again and again). It seems to be a characteristic of internet discussion boards.

All here appear to wish the best, as do I.

But head-in-sand is not helpful.

regards

david

Was unacceptability to "the fold" cited here?

Was unforgivability of transgressions cited?

Let's keep the discussion about the actual discussion folks.

-david

Cited or not, it's a valid question. When one has wronged, just what exactly do they have to do to be welcomed back in from the cold?

That is a question you need to ask the Administrators not the general membership....
I would suggest you PM them directly for an answer...

Pertinence and recognition of context contribute to validity.

Do you believe orange juice should be imbibed regularly?

d

I sure do like orange juice, although I've been on a bit of a fruit punch kick of late. Must be the hot weather.

Say, anyone here like fountain pens?

I was around for the beginning of eBay, and the Ink Spot. I was around when there was no internet, and PFC newsletter was black and white...

so does that make my resume more impressive, or make me more qualified?

dang, I have spent that much time messing with stupid ole pens? geez....

I think the majority of the folks here have legitimacy to their feelings and statements.

I hope that the positive road that the seller is on, continues, and that all your transactions with the seller are positive.

Many here, and elsewhere, cannot claim the same.

Just to let everyone know, it's still stuck at $1200. Who knows if it'll go higher. BTW, what do you think of the pictures?

Shamouti

A reminder folks. You can discuss anything you like about Parker pens in this forum so long as you show respect towards your fellow forum members. This thread seems to be going nowhere fast so it will be locked.