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I think I read everything in PenHero and on the Sheaffer forum, but I am still confused, because the information from the forum (and my dealer) just doesn't add up.

Is the pen below a Legacy I, a Legacy II or some mixture thereof? This is not just theoretical because I have a Legacy 1 nib on the way from DocNib and I am afraid I bought the wrong one.

Thanks!

Steve

PS, the section and body are snug against the o-ring in both pictures.

Steve,

I think this is a Legacy I if you look at just the section (Legacy II has an additional exposed black ring at the end of the section).

Another way to confirm that your is a Legacy I is to look at the end of the barrel. If it is squarish, it is Legacy I. If it is roundish, it is Legacy II. From your photo, the end barrel looks roundish.

As for the O-ring inside the barrel, I think both Legacy I and II have that. The O-rings of my Legacies I and II are inside the barrel and not exposed.

By the way, may I know what is the filling mechanism for your pen?

thanks
purpledog

Actually, looking at DocNib's photo again, the Legacy II nibs do not have the exposed black rings as I have mentioned. Maybe there are 2 variations for the Legacy II nibs? Can someone enlighten me?

Your nib looks like the Legacy II nib that DocNib was selling. It comes with a slightly bigger metallic trim that the Legacy I nib.

So yours is probably a Legacy II pen.

As for why the barrel cannot close completely, I have no idea and I do hope someone can let us know.

thanks,
purpledog

Thanks, Wui. I guess the additional question I will be able to answer in a couple of days is whether the sections are interchangeable! Steve

Ooops, sorry Pupledog--the filler is a touchdown converter. The end of the barrel minus blind cap is round, but the blind cap is squarish, if that helps. Thansk, Steve

touchdown converter sounds like a Legacy II to me. But, if the nib does not fit I'll be pleased to re-buy from you. My PM to Docnib arrived late, as usual, an they were all gone!

Hi Steve,

I think you have a Legacy I pen (probably with a Legacy II nib unit)
This cap/barrel combination was only available in the Legacy I series and the "square" turning knob is a sure fire indicator of Legacy I.

So, if you bought a Legacy I nib unit from DocNib, then you have ordered the correct one.
You may need to swap the O-Ring from the current pen if DocNib doesn't send you one.

Hope this helps.

Steve,

Yeap, what Sarj has said is right.

Yours is a mismatch. The nib is a Legacy II nib, but the body is a Legacy I. Which explains why your section doest really close all the way and the O-ring is left exposed. I have a same Legacy I in the same color as your,except mine came with a set (mechanical pencil).

So you did a right thing by ordering the Legacy I nib.

If you want to sell your present Legacy II nib, I would like to have it (provided it is not a Fine nib because I just order one from Docnib).

thanks,
purpledog

My apologies to Ondina. I didnt see you were asking for the nib too.

Steve - If you plan to sell your current Legacy II nib, you should contact Ondina first.

purpledog

I have one more question about the Legacy II nibs.

If you look at the photo in the following link, the section looks slight from the photo by Steve, although both are Legacy II nibs. I wonder why the difference and if both Legacy II nibs are interchangeable.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2390/208159...9d252ed.jpg?v=0

thanks,
purpledog

Good Morning:

I have both a Legacy I and II. The O-ring between the gold seal and the beginning of the barrel is exposed. Some of the rings are stiff and should be compressed inside the barrel when the barrel is tightened. Since I use cartridges, I removed the O-ring and get a nice seal, but would not fill the touchdown filler when used.

? Use a silicone based grease to restore the O-ring (if stiff) or get a new one. You may try to tighten the barrel, but be careful. When I tried, I found it hard to do, so I just removed the O-ring.

BTW, you have a Legacy I nib and barrel.

Hope this helps.

Hi. The nib sections are not interchangeable because of the way the cap tightens on the nib unit. The barrel/Nib combination units are fine, but you need the cap/nib combination to close the pen.

Just trying to summarize with what I agree with :-)

Definitely Legacy I with Legacy I section; but this is the Legacy I MK II section you've got.

Here is a picture of the Legacy I MK I (I think first and maybe second year only), Legacy MK II and Legacy II:



It is interesting that some Legacy I (both MK I and MK II) left the factory with the black rubber O-ring showing between section and barrel. On this pens the metal overlay is not fitted correctly* on the inner plastic barrel; this way it does not leave enought room for the O-ring to be completely dischagerd into the barrel.

*This is tricky because if there is too much room the section and barrel might not close air-tight; if they did not leave enough room, the O-ring will show even with the section tightly closed.

I think c. 50% of the Legacy I pens left the factory with the O-ring showing.

Cheers

Michael

I just took another look at my pens.

The Legacy II has a smaller O-ring that fits well inside the "well" inside the nib section and barrel. I just switched the smaller O-ring of the Legacy II into the Legacy I, and it creates a good seal and I just filled the touchdown filler without any leaks. The larger O-ring of the Legacy I fit well on the Legacy II, but not the other way.

? wrong size O-ring from the factory or afterwards (? people complained at the stores and the O-rings were interchanged).

(in the picture from Michael R., mine are the bottom 2 pens).

This works in most cases! Also using no O-ring when using cartridges or the old style push-button converters works fine.




I don't think the thicker O-rings were wrongly sized. Sheaffer just did not assemble all Legacy I pens with the same care and manufacturing tollerances.

I even have Legacy I pens with the inner plastic barrel and the outer metal sleeve being flush! ...allowing absolute not room for any O-ring (regardless of the thick or thin one).

This drove me crazy for years :-)


Michael

Thanks to everyone for your responses. I am beginning to believe that I probably have a Legacy I section and body. Or not. I had thought about getting a new o-ring, but I am not sure where. I will try the silicone bit, which makes a lot of sense. (That's familiar because it's how I first try to repair old touchdown o-rings.) However, something NYcom92's said worries me:

"Hi. The nib sections are not interchangeable because of the way the cap tightens on the nib unit. The barrel/Nib combination units are fine, but you need the cap/nib combination to close the pen."

My cap covers the nib and the o-ring, but barely, and not with a satisfying click or snap. I have to push it on with a bit of force until it is wedged on. Does that sound right? On the positive side, the cap fits tightly enough that the nib doesn't dry out, at least not in the brief time I have had it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Steve

Steve: That is correct. They changed the caps for the Legacy II to give you the satisfying "click" that we all love. The Legacy I caps close by "pressure". You don't need to push hard to close them.

This is quite an educational thread! I never knew there were 2 variations of the Legacy I.

Just to add my limited experience with a Legacy I Mk II and a Legacy II, both of my Legacies do not have exposed O-rings after fully screwing together the section and barrel. However, the O-ring on my Legacy I tends to slip down the section's threads, when I disassemble the pen.

Both pens make a reassuring "snap" when securing the cap onto the barrel.

Both are great pens

-Mike