Dr Ozzie
Jun 26 2008, 11:55 PM
As some of you may know, I purchased my first M1000 yesterday and its currently on its way to me. I was under the impression that I was purchasng an instrument of high quality until I started doing some 'after-purchase' research
I was trying to find more information on the pen I purchased but can find very little information/reviews/comments on it in the forum and online, and whatever I do fnd in the forum is usually negative towards the M1000, mostly people saying they would buy the M800 and not the M1000.
Is there something wrong with an M1000? Is it a poor seller? How come there doesn't seem to be as much on it as with other Pelikans?
Most importantly, did I make a good choice?
Doug C
Jun 27 2008, 12:36 AM
It is BIG and expensive.
Mellow out.
It is a Pelikan (and a top of the line Pelikan at that).
As long as it is not too big for you, it will be perfection.
I wish they made a 1005...........
Dr Ozzie
Jun 27 2008, 12:52 AM
You have a point about the expensive part, mine was $401 USD (including shipping), but i hear thats not a bad price for them at all
amh210
Jun 27 2008, 12:54 AM
The 1000 is a great pen with a great nib. It is BIG, though. If the size suits you, you will love it. For most hands, a 600 or 800 fits better, but it isn't that they are better pens. IMHO, the 400, 600, 800, and 1000 are equally good pens. The preference factor is a matter of size.
Of course, ANY pen, even an expensive one, can be new out of the box with a nib that is not quite aligned, etc. In that case, Pelikan will correct via their distributors.
Enjoy your pen (I like mine) and let us know how you like yours.
Andy
jeen
Jun 27 2008, 01:10 AM
It's not as popular because it is too large for most folks. I use a 149 comfortably but could not write comfortably with a 1K.
The nib is also flexier and exhibited heavier flow than smaller Souverans of comparable nib width, features that I did not prefer.
But it's all a matter of hand size and personal preference in nibs. I hope it fits and you love it!
Dr Ozzie
Jun 27 2008, 01:58 AM
I just saw some statistics on the weight, seems to be twice the weight of an M400. Thats not that heavy, I expected it to weight more given its size and the brass parts for the piston. That's good though, easier to write with. My only concern now is the size of the nib, i guess am going to have to wait for the test drive to see how I like it
JFT
Jun 27 2008, 02:03 AM
QUOTE(Dr Ozzie @ Jun 26 2008, 07:55 PM) [snapback]652355[/snapback]
As some of you may know, I purchased my first M1000 yesterday and its currently on its way to me. I was under the impression that I was purchasng an instrument of high quality until I started doing some 'after-purchase' research
I was trying to find more information on the pen I purchased but can find very little information/reviews/comments on it in the forum and online, and whatever I do fnd in the forum is usually negative towards the M1000, mostly people saying they would buy the M800 and not the M1000.
Hello Ozzie,
Contrarily to you I just started collecting birds. The first Pelikan ever that I tried was the M1000 and I did fell in love with it. It was not the first one I bought but it is on "borrowed time"

I've tried 5 different M1000 so far, all of them were very nice. So far the only stopper is the price. I'll eventually buy one but the price difference is hard to explain... Just checking M. Binder website the nib is 40$ more expensive. Around here I can buy a M800 for 400$ Can but a M1000 is 540$ i.e. 140$ more expensive, substracting the 40$ difference for the nib I dont see any good reason for the 100$ price difference, sure the body is larger but 100$?...
As for the size, I had no issue writing with it and I found the size very comfy, this is obviously very subjective but I would guess that it depends how you hold your pen. I write with a very shallow angle and I'm used to holding my Patrician (which is also quite large) very high. So when I picked a M1000 it just felt natural. I can easily understand how it would feel too big to someone holding the pen close to the nib and writing with a high angle.
The nib is simply outstanding both visually and it has a nice springiness to it (especially if you write with a shallow angle

).
QUOTE(Dr Ozzie @ Jun 26 2008, 07:55 PM) [snapback]652355[/snapback]
Is there something wrong with an M1000? Is it a poor seller? How come there doesn't seem to be as much on it as with other Pelikans?
Most importantly, did I make a good choice?

Yes you did

, this is an outstanding pen and despite the hard to justify price difference with the M800 it is still a much better value than a MB 149!
Lastly I am happy you love the green one, I love Pelikan Red and Blue but the green is not my cup of tea so when I'll buy an M1000 I have the choice of picking black or black... Chances are I'll pick an M800 in Red before I get to buying an M1000 BUT that time will come

Congratulation on a very nice pen.
GeeTee
Jun 27 2008, 02:07 AM
QUOTE(Dr Ozzie @ Jun 27 2008, 01:55 AM) [snapback]652355[/snapback]
Most importantly, did I make a good choice?

Why do you ask us? Do YOU like the pen? If yes, then you made the right choice. If not, try it some more and if you still don't like it you can always sell it and get something else. You will lose some money on it, but not too much, so no real harm done.
Don't second guess yourself. Don't spent time wondering if you might the right choice, but just enjoy this great pen.
I have several Pelikans and i love them all...one day i hope to get a M1000 too. The M1000 is a very impressive pen.
trailrnr
Jun 27 2008, 05:59 AM
I think you made a great choice. I have an 800 and two 1000s, and much prefer the 1000s. The nib on the 1000 has kind of a lively, expressive quality to it (small amount of flex) that I find missing with the 800. Plus, the size of the pen and the nib will make you feel like a king!
Ronin
Jun 27 2008, 06:28 AM
Hi. I have a M1000 with EF nib in green and it's my favourite Pelikan by a long way. The nib does seem to have a bit more flex than other Pelikan nibs. The size unposted is just fine for me and with PR DC Supershow blue in it,it's a wonderful combination.
Enjoy,
Ronin
Zed
Jun 27 2008, 08:20 AM
Hello, interesting to read these comments for I keep wondering how somebody can write more than a page with anything bigger than M600 without feeling fatigue in his or her arm... Still, enjoy your new pen doctor! Zed
andyk
Jun 27 2008, 05:13 PM
Hi,
I don't actually own an M1000, so can add little practical insight to this post, tried them out in shops a couple of times, but seemed a bit big for me and I found the nib a bit to large and flexible (but difficult to judge in just a few minutes handling), I think the M800 is probably more suited to me.
The biggest issue I have is the price, $401 looks pretty good to me, in the UK retail is around £325 and average price £250/275, a significant premium over the US price. So apart from being big it's just too expensive and because there are fewer around, less likely to be discounted as most shops are likely to have to order them in rather than have them in stock.
Having said that the retail price for the M800 isn't far behind at around £290 (discounted to about £230), still somewhat more expensive than you M1000.
In reality does it really matter what other people think, the important thing is that you are happy with what you have, I think most of us take some note of other's opinions but in the end we make up our own minds.
I hope you enjoy your pen, let us know how you get on.
Andy
Edited because I didn't proof read the original post
WhosYerBob
Jun 27 2008, 06:39 PM
It's big, but it has a *wonderful* nib - the nicest of all the pens I own.
Dr Ozzie
Jun 27 2008, 07:11 PM
Thank you Andyk,
Not only will I let all of you know how I get along wiith the M1000 but pictures will also be provided.
Am thinking of photographing it with one of my M200s or my M400 White Honey to emphasize the size difference.

I do agree though, even though I got it at a "great" price, $401 is still a little much for a pen. At least I can now say that I own the top Pelikan in the Souveran lineup and my next purchase (an M800) will be cheaper

Its only downhill from here (price wise) as most of the Pelikans I still want to purchase in the future are going to cost me less than the M1000
JFT
Jun 27 2008, 11:52 PM
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Hello, interesting to read these comments for I keep wondering how somebody can write more than a page with anything bigger than M600 without feeling fatigue in his or her arm... Still, enjoy your new pen doctor! Zed
It just depends on how you hold your pen and if you write by moving your whole hand or just your fingers. If you write with your whole hands (for the most part) and write with a shallow angle neither size nor weight really matter in my experience, a Patrician when posted is heftier than an M1000 and almost the same length...
penmanila
Jun 28 2008, 06:24 AM
thanks for the feedbacks in this thread. i finally bit the bullet myself after holding out for some time, and (after selling off a few other gadgets to assuage my guilt) i ordered a pelikan m1000 from melpens in malaysia, for the lowest price i could find on the internet ($360 + $16 flat shipping by fedex to anywhere in the world). it's going to come in green and black, with a big honky OB nib i'm thinking of selling off my black M800 when this comes (well, i still have my red M800 in reserve) so i don't look too greedy. (and don't tell my wife! i hope she's away when the fedex van comes.)
hbquikcomjamesl
Jun 28 2008, 02:27 PM
'Twouldn't be a good choice for me: too bloody big and expensive. I don't mind carrying $300 worth of pens in my breast pocket, but one pen that costs more than all 5 of mine (and is a significant fraction of a week's pay) is a bit much for me. I'll stick with my M200s, M150, and penbashed Pelikano.
But to each his (or her) own. Some people wear a Rolex; I wear a Timex.
John Cullen
Jun 28 2008, 02:50 PM
For me, the 800 and the 600 write somewhat the same. Going to the 1000 gets you into a different type of nib. The 1000 nib is springy and puts down some serious ink, especially if you have much pressure on it. In that sense, it seems to me a little different from many other modern pens.
So if you have been writing with a Duofold or a LIaison or whatever and you get an 800 or a 600, you will probably not experience much shock. YOu may prefer the duofold or you may prefer the Pelikan, but you won't feel like the pens represent two different worlds.
The 1000 is noticably different. OPinions vary. I like mine, but it is true it is a big pen and I could see that some people might experience fatigue, whereas others might find it more comfortable. LIke so much in the pen world, different strokes for different folkds.
I hope you like yours.
Dr Ozzie
Jun 28 2008, 04:18 PM
I agree with Cullen's comments above
JamesL, everyone is different. I understand the M1000 is a lot of money and trust me it took me a while setting a few dollars aside every week. But that's the beauty of saving money.
A lot of people, even my boss, ask how I can afford nice fountain pens, quality tech gadgets and a good watch and not be broke. The answer is simple:
I quit buying Starbucks coffe, my spending there was at about $25 per week (relatively low compared to the true addicts

)
I put those $25 in a different account and in a month I have $100 USD. In 3 1/2 months I could afford an M1000 without hurting my budget. Its called Budget Planning and Asset Allocation.PS: M1000 users are not Rolex wearing snobs, I resent that implication. My daily watch is a Rado Diastar, it cost me less than a Thousand dollars and as far as am concerned is just as good as any Rolex.
Dr Ozzie
Jun 28 2008, 04:21 PM
One last thing, if anyone notices what I write with or my watch (if they even notice) am always happy to point out how they too, despite their income or budget constraints, can afford having something nice without starving your family to death or robbing a bank. (see above post)
xmattxyzx
Jun 28 2008, 04:23 PM
I've since given up buying expensive beer in order to afford my habit.
Dr Ozzie
Jun 28 2008, 04:41 PM
Update: DHL says my pen is scheduled for delivery
TODAY
lapis
Jun 28 2008, 06:52 PM
In an attempt to offer a good answer or two I see it like this. In the store where I bought my M800, I tried out an M1000 too of course.
It was too big for me (and I have fairly big hands) so I bought the M800.
As said above, the nib is different.
The whole M line from M 200 (I don't have an M140) all the way up to M800 is "somewhat" linear, they all get bigger and heavier etc, also more expensive, all "somewhat more so", and at the same time increase "basically" in a linear manner. But the M1000 somehow breaks off this linearity; "up" or "down", I don't know, lets's say "off".
The people in the store told me that the M1000 doesn't sell as well because it
is (in contrast to all other Souveräns) too heavy, too expensive and somehow not in line with everything else. Most customers who do after all buy an M1000 do so just because the nib is different.
Ho hum.
Mike
Greg D
Jun 28 2008, 10:02 PM
I hope you enjoy your new pen. I have two M1000's and they are my favorite pens to write with. With these - it's all about the nib. I don't think you will regret it in the least. Despite being big, they are not that heavy so fatigue should not be a problem.
I'm looking forward to hearing about your first writing experience with this pen.
GD~
John Cullen
Jun 28 2008, 10:14 PM
The 1000 takes a little getting used to and depending on how heavy the ink flow is, it may not be the pen for every situation. But think of pens as being like other tools. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screw driver. So sometimes you need an 800 and sometimes you need a 1000.
At least that's what I told my wife.

Another thing about the 1000 nib is that there is often a lot of room for adjustment related to flow. The stock M nib-----at least the three I have tried----were all pretty wet. They put down a full medium line and would put out even more ink if any pressure was put on the nib. For fast, jerky writing on cheap copy paper, the stock M nibs I tried were too wet for me.
So I had Richard Binder take a Medium 1000 nib and turn down the flow a little bit. Wow, what a difference. I lost a little of the possible line variation that could result from flow increase, but I gained a nib that felt like the 1000 nib but was more consistent and more in the medium range flow-wise. Some people may love the flow variation. More power to 'em. I just wanted it toned down a bit and I am very happy. so if anyone gets a 1000 nib and finds the flow way to heavy, you can likely get it turned down. As I said, many people love the generous flow and to each his own.
j
pop1231
Jun 29 2008, 01:13 AM
i have m 1000 bb nib and i bought its spend my $380 here in china. its color is black
Jacob
CharlieB
Jun 29 2008, 07:16 PM
The M1000 is an excellent pen. Buy it. You will like it -- if you like large pens!
georges zaslavsky
Jun 29 2008, 07:34 PM
I don't think the m1000 is a poor seller, it is a pen made for people who like big pens and the nib makes also the whole difference. The nib on the m1000 is springy and has some flex. I have tried several m1000s. The best nibs I tried on the m1000 where the fine and the medium. The price shouldn't be a stopper especially when pens like visconti divina, omas paragon arte italiana, montegrappa extra, waterman edson and MB 149 cost way much more than the m1000. Quality wise and nib wise the m1000 beats the edson, the divina, the montegrappa and even the 149. There is only the paragon arte to compete with the Pelikan in terms of nib, however the pelikan has a larger nib and pelikan customer service is a first class customer service as opposed to Omas customer service which is a nightmare as any italian pen brands customer service. The Patrician from Waterman is a lacquered over brass pen, it is a very heavy pen but with a formidable nib especially in fine and medium nibs, also a pen I recommend strongly.
smoore99
Jun 30 2008, 06:41 PM
I'll add my voice firmly and loudly to the chorus of M1000 lovers! In fact, I have bought no pens since I purchased 2 1000s last year. I like writing with them so much, I think any other pens will just sit on the shelf or in the drawer, lonely and unused, nothing but poor relations of the great 1000s. Enjoy your pen, and don't listen to those who think large pens, or expensive pens, are not good writers - the M1000 writes better than any pen made today, and I say this even though I also own a Parker Centennial, a 149, and a Paragon.
Shortie
Jun 30 2008, 06:56 PM
I just got one, and it is very large...and I have small hands. The old style M200 is my new everyday pen. The M1000 is the Bentley that one would drive on the weekends (to quote the GF, the very nice and generous person who bought me the M1000). The nib nice and smooth. The weight took a little to get used to. Will have to say that the ink flow too some getting used to. But like the M200 I already have Pelikans tend to be wet writers, right?
I may have to buy a smaller one, like a M400. Why? Hmmm...good question.
Dr Ozzie
Jun 30 2008, 07:50 PM
M1000 has arrived at last

I will review it tonight or tomorrow
My first reaction when i opened the box was "My God! Its a freaking moon rocket and I love it!"
Its so beautiful, i can't stress that enough. It looks better than I expected
JFT
Jun 30 2008, 09:23 PM
QUOTE(Dr Ozzie @ Jun 30 2008, 03:50 PM) [snapback]656166[/snapback]
M1000 has arrived at last

I will review it tonight or tomorrow
My first reaction when i opened the box was "My God! Its a freaking moon rocket and I love it!"
Its so beautiful, i can't stress that enough. It looks better than I expected

Congratulation!
Who do you like the that springy nib?
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