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caliken
From time to time, there are discussions concerning hand position, finger writing, tension, fatigue/cramp when writing for long periods etc. and various remedies and suggestions are put forward.

I don't petend, in any way, to have found a magical solution, but I can honestly say that, since modifying my hand postion many years ago, I have never suffered from fatigue/cramp when writing for long periods and I remember that there was an immediate improvement in the quality of my writing.

This is much simpler to explain in photo form, hence the two illoustrations.



The first is a fairly common pen hold with the thumb, forefinger and middle finger gripping the pen which is held at about 45 degrees to the paper.

If the thumb, forefinger and middle finger are all extended to an extent, as in the second photo, this automatically has three effects :-

1) The strength of grip is lessened which eases tension, improves control and eliminates fatigue.

2) The pen to paper angle is lowered, which can help ink flow (and enables upstrokes more easily with a flexible nib).

3) There is naturally less finger movement and more writing with the hand, which can produce smoother results.

If your hand position is similar to (1) give it a try. It is easy to do and, in my experience, can have immediate, beneficial results.

caliken
Lozzic
I agree smile.gif , I used to write like 1 and get terrible cramp, then I changed to 2 when I got in to pens and I had no problems at all, though I don't use either of those grips any more. I think poor handwriting teaching these days and the habits people fall in to have forced them to slip in to the grip style in picture 1.

Good post! thumbup.gif
Renzhe
Hmm...I'm about halfway between the two. Thanks.
pmsalty
Very interesting......when I started writing with FP's I shifted my hand into the second position because that seemed to be the only way I could write without my pens skipping. Then after a little while it became musch more comfortable. Being left-handed it also helped improve my handwriting.
This method of holing a pen is also the way I was taught back in scholl when drawing pen and ink sketches. I would encourage those who use a ball-point writing style to modify it similar to what caliken shows.
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nuntym
QUOTE(Lozzic @ Jun 10 2008, 10:49 AM) [snapback]636303[/snapback]
I agree smile.gif , I used to write like 1 and get terrible cramp, then I changed to 2 when I got in to pens and I had no problems at all, though I don't use either of those grips any more. I think poor handwriting teaching these days and the habits people fall in to have forced them to slip in to the grip style in picture 1.

Good post! thumbup.gif

So what's your pen grip now, Lozzic, if it's OK to ask? ^__^
Lozzic
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QUOTE(Lozzic @ Jun 10 2008, 10:49 AM) [snapback]636303[/snapback]
I agree smile.gif , I used to write like 1 and get terrible cramp, then I changed to 2 when I got in to pens and I had no problems at all, though I don't use either of those grips any more. I think poor handwriting teaching these days and the habits people fall in to have forced them to slip in to the grip style in picture 1.

Good post! thumbup.gif

So what's your pen grip now, Lozzic, if it's OK to ask? ^__^


Of course it is OK to ask roflmho.gif

For Calligraphy (using dip pens) which is slow I do use a grip similar to that shown by Caliken but for handwriting with fountain pens I try to use the grip recommended by A. N. Palmer as I am attempting (with difficulty glare.gif ) to teach myself Palmer's style of business writing. Palmer's grip is more upright, like a fist with all the knuckles parallel to the writing surface. There should be examples and explanations in this PDF document http://www.iampeth.com/books/ADOBE_PDFs/Pa...thod%201935.pdf I would not personally recommend it for slow or printed handwriting or Calligraphy but then again I have not really tried that so I don't know. I just have the feeling it is more suited to fast cursive e.g. business writing; it is restrictive in terms of finger movement.
nuntym
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Of course it is OK to ask roflmho.gif

For Calligraphy (using dip pens) which is slow I do use a grip similar to that shown by Caliken but for handwriting with fountain pens I try to use the grip recommended by A. N. Palmer as I am attempting (with difficulty glare.gif ) to teach myself Palmer's style of business writing. Palmer's grip is more upright, like a fist with all the knuckles parallel to the writing surface. There should be examples and explanations in this PDF document http://www.iampeth.com/books/ADOBE_PDFs/Pa...thod%201935.pdf I would not personally recommend it for slow or printed handwriting or Calligraphy but then again I have not really tried that so I don't know. I just have the feeling it is more suited to fast cursive e.g. business writing; it is restrictive in terms of finger movement.


EGADS! sick.gif Just looked at the book, and it reads like a manual on torture! I mean, look at those poor little kids, not one of them smiling in any picture or drawing. sad.gif

Good luck learning that Lozzic biggrin.gif
DrV
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QUOTE(Lozzic @ Jun 27 2008, 05:05 PM) [snapback]653061[/snapback]
Of course it is OK to ask roflmho.gif

For Calligraphy (using dip pens) which is slow I do use a grip similar to that shown by Caliken but for handwriting with fountain pens I try to use the grip recommended by A. N. Palmer as I am attempting (with difficulty glare.gif ) to teach myself Palmer's style of business writing. Palmer's grip is more upright, like a fist with all the knuckles parallel to the writing surface. There should be examples and explanations in this PDF document http://www.iampeth.com/books/ADOBE_PDFs/Pa...thod%201935.pdf I would not personally recommend it for slow or printed handwriting or Calligraphy but then again I have not really tried that so I don't know. I just have the feeling it is more suited to fast cursive e.g. business writing; it is restrictive in terms of finger movement.


EGADS! sick.gif Just looked at the book, and it reads like a manual on torture! I mean, look at those poor little kids, not one of them smiling in any picture or drawing. sad.gif

Good luck learning that Lozzic biggrin.gif


I think the grips of Caliken and Palmer are nearly identical. Both demonstrate resting the pen just below the first knuckle of the middle finger ("MF") and using the fore finger ("FF") and thumb to steady the pens motion. Caliken seems to have his FF and thumb directly opposed, whereas for Palmer the FF is nearer the tip of the pen. Using either grip requires more wrist and arm movement rather than finger movement, which results in improved penmanship and smoothness.

I have used this grip all my life and was taught to write this way in school, but with ball points it has led to a callus just below the first knuckle of the MF. This is probably due to the amount of force a ball point requires to dispense ink. I used to do calligraphy, as a child, using this grip and it was quite fluid and smooth. Now that I am considering taking up a fountain pen again and use gel and rollerball pens, this grip makes it easy to write.

For anyone looking for inexpensive fountain pens to try out before committing to buying a nice pen, I highly recommend checking out jetpens.com. They have a great selection of inexpensive FP in fine and medium nib widths. I have ordered the Pilot Varsity (medium nib), Pilot Vpen (fine nib), Pilot Petit1 (fine nib?), and Platinum Preppy Pen (extra fine nib). For me the nib on the Varsity lays down a line that is a little too wide and wet, and on low quality paper and index cards feathers quite a bit.
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