I know somewhere i have read posts about Noodlers and nib creep(depending on the pen of course).
I didn't pay too much attention until lately as i have noticed this happening more than ever before.
Especially with my Omas pens. So i switched out the ink to either Stipula or Private Reserve.Instant difference!
Why are the Noodlers inks being so picky and especially with Omas feeds?
I have a fewer older Noodlers bottles that don't produce the same problem.Is it viscous issues or....?Even El Lawerence,which is notorious for clogging some feeds has creep issues on my Omas pens.So i have decided to use other inks.The only one that seems to work well in my Arco is Golden Brown.Go figure.
No real problems in my other pens those being Stipula,Cross,Sheaffer and Conklin.
Jim
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Jim wrote:
"Why are the Noodlers inks being so picky and especially with Omas feeds?"
I have no real answer for you. It appears that Momas' nibs are some that Noodler's just does not get along with.
I have found that my Esterbrooks absolutely do not get on with Noodler's inks. They not only have nib creep, but the ink wicks out of the pen in huge drops that soak the inside of the caps. It is the worst case of nib creep I have in any brand of pen. Nothing else does that to the Esterbrooks.
For other pens, it seems to be a case by case basis. I have little to no problem using Noodler's inks in my Duofolds. This month, I have a Duofold Anniversary "Big Red" in rotation with a M italic nib. I am using "Iraqi Indigo" in it for check writing. If I clean off the nib, even doing so under a drizzle of tap water, after writing just one check some ink has crept out through the tines and coats the nib slit. It is not serious, but it is consistent.
Can there be a rational explanation for behavior like that?
"Why are the Noodlers inks being so picky and especially with Omas feeds?"
I have no real answer for you. It appears that Momas' nibs are some that Noodler's just does not get along with.
I have found that my Esterbrooks absolutely do not get on with Noodler's inks. They not only have nib creep, but the ink wicks out of the pen in huge drops that soak the inside of the caps. It is the worst case of nib creep I have in any brand of pen. Nothing else does that to the Esterbrooks.
For other pens, it seems to be a case by case basis. I have little to no problem using Noodler's inks in my Duofolds. This month, I have a Duofold Anniversary "Big Red" in rotation with a M italic nib. I am using "Iraqi Indigo" in it for check writing. If I clean off the nib, even doing so under a drizzle of tap water, after writing just one check some ink has crept out through the tines and coats the nib slit. It is not serious, but it is consistent.
Can there be a rational explanation for behavior like that?
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I have found that my Esterbrooks absolutely do not get on with Noodler's inks. They not only have nib creep, but the ink wicks out of the pen in huge drops that soak the inside of the caps. It is the worst case of nib creep I have in any brand of pen. Nothing else does that to the Esterbrooks.
I keep Noodlers Legal Lapis in my Esterbrook desk pen. I used to try to keep the nib clean, but I've given up. Once in a while I wipe it off, but most of the time the whole nib looks blue/green. I've decided to like it. However, I'm not encouraged to use Legal Lapis in any of my other pens. For a while I had it in my Waterman Carene and the nib creep was really terrible.
I have Noodlers Iraqi Indigo in two or three pens and never have any nib creep problems with it. Both these inks are bulletproof so the difference must be in the pigment color. BTW, I just noticed on Pendemonium's website that they've changed the name of Iraqi Indigo to Violet Vote.
Judybug
Judybug wrote:
" ... BTW, I just noticed on Pendemonium's website that they've changed the name of Iraqi Indigo to Violet Vote."
Thank you. I know the name has changed but I simply cannot retain what the new name is. I guess it is close enough to the original that I would be able to figure it out, but my cognitive abilities are on a middle age sliding scale these days, so who knows?
" ... BTW, I just noticed on Pendemonium's website that they've changed the name of Iraqi Indigo to Violet Vote."
Thank you. I know the name has changed but I simply cannot retain what the new name is. I guess it is close enough to the original that I would be able to figure it out, but my cognitive abilities are on a middle age sliding scale these days, so who knows?
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Jim wrote:
They not only have nib creep, but the ink wicks out of the pen in huge drops that soak the inside of the caps. It is the worst case of nib creep I have in any brand of pen. Nothing else does that to the Esterbrooks.
They not only have nib creep, but the ink wicks out of the pen in huge drops that soak the inside of the caps. It is the worst case of nib creep I have in any brand of pen. Nothing else does that to the Esterbrooks.
I just posted a similar experience with my Namiki Falcon F nib and Lux Blue. Big old blops of ink. Nasty.
I've had horrible nib creep using my M600 with Eel Black, a dryish writing ink. It must just be unruly on metal. I've never had it drip into the cap, though.
From Richard Binder's website:
I don't understand why people on FPN get so wound up about nib creep with Noodler's inks. It is simply a thin film of non-corrosive ink, not something that will make the nib fall off.
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The highest-maintenance inks of all, in my experience, are Noodler’s “bulletproof” colors. These inks, although their dyes are in solution, contain suspended particulate matter (the stuff that makes the ink bond chemically with the paper), and they can sometimes have flow and clogging issues — as well as a high creepability that results from the use of a greater amount of surfactant than normal in order to keep the particulates flowing well. (In layman’s terms, these inks are simply “wetter” than other inks.) These minor quirks aside, however, they’re excellent inks; and if you absolutely, positively need permanence, they definitely deserve consideration. Every user’s experience is different, and you might just find that nothing else works as well in your pens as these inks.
I don't understand why people on FPN get so wound up about nib creep with Noodler's inks. It is simply a thin film of non-corrosive ink, not something that will make the nib fall off.
Nib creep seems more prominent with the bulletproof inks and it probably depends on the nib, as well as the flow properties of the ink. I have some nib creep with Legal Lapis, a little with Heart of Darkness, moderate with Luxury Blue, etc. My medium nibs have more, fine nibs less. The most prominent nib creep I have is with Galileo Manuscript Brown, it likes to flow.
For my VP's, I took the advice of HDoug and used a little bit of car wax on the upper portion of the nib unit as a precaution to keep any possible creep from the main part of the pen. Works like a charm. The rest of my pens I live with nib creep. It doesn't really bother me.
For my VP's, I took the advice of HDoug and used a little bit of car wax on the upper portion of the nib unit as a precaution to keep any possible creep from the main part of the pen. Works like a charm. The rest of my pens I live with nib creep. It doesn't really bother me.
Maybe it's because of the ebonite feeds. Just a guess.
Juan
Juan
Standard Brown gets all over the inside of the cap in my Copper J -- and I believe this is because the nib is VERY close to the inner cap with the cap screwed down. The result is that ink will bridge the gap between the nib and inner cap when the pen is carried around, with the normal shaking and bouncing it will get (and in my case, occasional inversion as I bend over at work). Naturally, the ink will fill the space by capillary action, leaving ink all over the place when you take the cap off.
There is no cure, short of reaming out the inner cap, but not all nibs seem to do this. You may have to try a couple to find one that leaves the ink in the feed. You should also clean the cap regularly to prevent ink accumulating in there, as dried ink will absorb water from the ink, and the unavoidable condensation will then fill the gap between nib and inner cap....
As far as ink on nibs, I don't think I've every had a fountain pen that didn't collect some dried in on the nib in use. It's normal behavior, especially in pens that see a lot of use like student pens. I'm used to it, so unless it's collecting in the cap or getting on the section, I ignore it.
Just one of those FP things like ink on the section when filling.
Peter
There is no cure, short of reaming out the inner cap, but not all nibs seem to do this. You may have to try a couple to find one that leaves the ink in the feed. You should also clean the cap regularly to prevent ink accumulating in there, as dried ink will absorb water from the ink, and the unavoidable condensation will then fill the gap between nib and inner cap....
As far as ink on nibs, I don't think I've every had a fountain pen that didn't collect some dried in on the nib in use. It's normal behavior, especially in pens that see a lot of use like student pens. I'm used to it, so unless it's collecting in the cap or getting on the section, I ignore it.
Just one of those FP things like ink on the section when filling.
Peter
I use Noodler's Black in my Phileas, and I do notice some "nib creep" after two or three days. However, its not really a problem, and I have never had the pen clog up on me. Considering how secure (Bulletproof) the ink is, I can withstand some minor staining on the nib, which easily washes off.
My experience agrees with kiavonne - the only ink I have that creeps is Noodler's Black. My other inks (Purple Martin and Gruene Cactus) play nicely in all my pens. THat said, even the black has only creeped in some pens. Right now I have it in a Pelikan M200 w/ F nib and no creeping.
pendragon wrote:
"I don't understand why people on FPN get so wound up about nib creep with Noodler's inks. ... "
It is not the thin layer of ink on a nib that bothers me. It is the huge drops of ink that accumulate inside some of my caps that comes flowing out of the cap when I open the pen - that's what bothers me.
"I don't understand why people on FPN get so wound up about nib creep with Noodler's inks. ... "
It is not the thin layer of ink on a nib that bothers me. It is the huge drops of ink that accumulate inside some of my caps that comes flowing out of the cap when I open the pen - that's what bothers me.
Frank, I know what you mean - I had always wondered if nib creep was an issue that just bothered neat freaks who saw a bit of ink on the top of their nib, but recently I have had PR Black Cherry perform what I can only call nib scuttle up over the nib, up the section and onto the barrel of my Lamy Studio white SE, - over an inch of inky steeplechase and all in the middle of the night when I'm not looking! You wipe it off, and the next night it does it again.
Not Noodler's, I know - but I can now believe that saturated inks can get up to all sorts when your back is turned ,given the right pen and a dark corner, the little devils
John
Not Noodler's, I know - but I can now believe that saturated inks can get up to all sorts when your back is turned ,given the right pen and a dark corner, the little devils
John
One of my favorite ink is Noodler Red-Black which is horrible in term of nib creep. Especially in my Van Gogh 14k gold nib coated in white metal (Rhodium?) in that pen after 2 days half of the nib is usually covered by creep.
Surprisingly enough my M620 (18k nib) has almost no creep whatsoever with the same ink and I'm going on my second week using it with that pen.
I've seen discussion in the past where some Lamy Steel nib behave differently on nib creep depending if they were coated or not but nowhere do I recall discussion whether 14k vs 18k (or 21k) causing such a variation in nib creep. Or maybe the coating?
I only have a small collection of FP as can be seen from my signature and my only other 18k nib has yet to taste Red-Black but I'll try it and see.
Anybody else can relate if gold concentration (or rhodium plating) worsen nib creep?
Surprisingly enough my M620 (18k nib) has almost no creep whatsoever with the same ink and I'm going on my second week using it with that pen.
I've seen discussion in the past where some Lamy Steel nib behave differently on nib creep depending if they were coated or not but nowhere do I recall discussion whether 14k vs 18k (or 21k) causing such a variation in nib creep. Or maybe the coating?
I only have a small collection of FP as can be seen from my signature and my only other 18k nib has yet to taste Red-Black but I'll try it and see.
Anybody else can relate if gold concentration (or rhodium plating) worsen nib creep?
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From Richard Binder's website:
I don't understand why people on FPN get so wound up about nib creep with Noodler's inks. It is simply a thin film of non-corrosive ink, not something that will make the nib fall off.
QUOTE
The highest-maintenance inks of all, in my experience, are Noodler’s “bulletproof” colors. These inks, although their dyes are in solution, contain suspended particulate matter (the stuff that makes the ink bond chemically with the paper), and they can sometimes have flow and clogging issues — as well as a high creepability that results from the use of a greater amount of surfactant than normal in order to keep the particulates flowing well. (In layman’s terms, these inks are simply “wetter” than other inks.) These minor quirks aside, however, they’re excellent inks; and if you absolutely, positively need permanence, they definitely deserve consideration. Every user’s experience is different, and you might just find that nothing else works as well in your pens as these inks.
I don't understand why people on FPN get so wound up about nib creep with Noodler's inks. It is simply a thin film of non-corrosive ink, not something that will make the nib fall off.
It's not the appearance of the ink only.The ink creeps out and drains into the cap,which then continues to build up and cause stains.My Paragon had this issue and it was so bad i had a leak out of the cap onto my sport coat.Now THATS distressing.And,believe it or not,it was with a bulletproof ink.
So it does make a difference when creep happens
Jim
My everyday pens are Parker Duofolds (modern) and the only nib creep I have is with Noodlers Legal Lapis but I just ignore it too because I love the colour. Only real problem is I have to tissue inside the cap occassionally to mop up any drops before they deposit themselves on the end of my pen and eventually my hand or shirt as I always post the cap.
No creep with any Parker or Waterman ink.
No creep with any Parker or Waterman ink.
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