I've seen the very helpful reviews on both inks and I really like the colour and their properties. However one of the best and unique qualities of them is that they have a wonderful shading effect. All the reviews that I have seen of them both have been done with stub/italic nibs. I suppose there will be no shading at all when those inks are used in an usual M nib, won't it? Most other inks have no shading effects at all when used in M nibs. Not that I have cared about this a lot, but with these two inks which extraordinary shading effects this will be a loss. I'm considering buying one of these two inks, so I'm asking.

I've written only briefly with Apache Sunset using a borrowed pen with a medium nib, but even that yielded considerable variation in colour (medium yellow through deep oranges verging on red), albeit not as much as one could expect with a flex nib or italic. I wonder whether the paper makes a difference; I can't recall what I had in front of me, but I don't think that it was anything especially unusual.

Some pens leave pools of ink when you lift up the pen. Those pens are more likely to cause shading. And it is in those pens (my cheaper ones, which leave pools) that Habanero shows apparent shading. In nicer pens it is more even. But it will look very different in a wet pen versus a dry pen.

On the other hand, Apache Sunset and Golden Brown have shaded for me in nearly every pen, whether they leave pools or not.

That'd be great to know, because I like the shadings of these two colours, but I can't stand writing with a Stub.

http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...;hl=macthemaths

Will show you them both written by me with a Medium Pelikan M200

Chris

Thank you for the photo. What a pity that Habanero isn't shown there, because at this sample I liked the colour of Cayenne, more than Apache Sunset which looks a bit too yellow. I will rethink about it a bit!

All my pens are round-points, and the look of Apache Sunset depends on the pen. In my medium Pilot 78G, it looks nearly yellow, with no shading. That is my driest writer. In a slightly wetter writer, it shades a bit more, more often if you print. In my wetter writers, the shading is beautiful and transfixing, as you see in italics or stubs. When I get a new pen, the first ink I dip it in is Apache Sunset, in order to see how it behaves, because it never seems to write the same way in any two pens.

I don't have Habanero, so I can't tell you about that. I ordinarily don't like yellow or orange, but I make an exception for Apache Sunset.

Oops! Isn't it odd how in my head Habanero turned itself into Cayenne. Sorry!

Cayenne is a lovely colour though

That's quite interesting, thank you for an answer! As I have generally more dry writers, I should think about it more carefully because the ink would be too ordinary if its not about the shading. In general, I don't like shadings very much and I've never cared about them, but in those inks, it's just too beautiful!



No problem - I've seen in your colour sample that Cayenne seems to be very beautiful, too! But in same other samples it looked too red, rather red than orange ... and I absolutely dislike red inks. That's why originally I wanted to go with Habanero because Apache Sunset seems a bit too yellow for me, but Cayenne too red.

I haven't had Apache Sunset look that yellow in my pens. Haven't tried it any extra fines, but it's orange and shades in my fat fines and mediums, as well as the cursive italics.

I've used Apache Sunset in my Pilot Elite [EF nib], and it shades just as nicely. The key is to use non-absorbent paper, then write each letter from top to bottom. It's a joy to behold