A quick introduction. My name is Brad and I work in estate & jewelry buying in Florida. Yesterday, I found myself in a position to buy several Wahl/Eversharp Fountain pens and pencils. Also, I have a quantity of assorted 14k nibs. I have identified some and need help with others.

I believe most would require some reconditioning despite the fact that they are coming directly from a gentleman that sold these writing instruments many many years ago. I will make photos available ASAP and It would be nice to get an idea of fair wholesale value. I work in a way that hopefully allows myself and a client potential for a satisfying and profitable experience. I hope to find info and help to make that happen.

I know I have the following:

2 skylines with GF caps (1 black, 1 green)

2 sets of grecian border pen & pencil (pencils are different diameters and pens are different lengths)

1 dart pattern

1 check pattern

3 ? gold overlay black pens (pattern looks fluted?)

1 doric marocan pencil

1 ?coronet repeater pencils with red pyralin?

100's of assorted 14k nibs (mostly single banner eversharp, some t-banner, etc.)

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i will provide more info tomorrow if i have time to photograph them.

thanks in advance and have a great night,
Brad

Brad,
As the moderator of this forum, Welcome to the FPN Wahl-Eversharp forum. I am sure we all would be pleased to help you learn whatever we can teach about the pens you have recently come into.

Having said that, as you say you are new to the forum or perhaps FPN, I offer the following with no offense intended:

It would be good to know up front if you are a Wahl-Eversharp devotee, a general fountain pen collector/hobbyist, or a business person looking for information to help you price your wares accurately.

If, however, you intend to sell these items here on FPN, the rules require that you do so in the "Market Place" forum, as buying and selling is really not supposed to take place in the brand focus forums. You can however tell people what you have here so long as you conduct your business with anyone interested "off-line" or through the Personal Message service offered on FPN, but displaying the items here solely to stimulate sales should be avoided in favor of the Market Place.

I hope you understand, I am just trying to help with the ground rules. Our not having done so in the past has tended to ruffle some feathers on both sides.

Having said that, then
IAll the nibs you show here except for the WAHL 0, nib are either very late Doric or early Skyline era nibs dating from about 1937 to 1941. They usually go for about $20 for the small #2 sized ones up to about $50 for #5 or 6 sizes. However the second from the right would be valued a little higher as it looks to be a Left Oblique stub and they are rarer and in demand by artistic writers. The Wahl 0 with the heart shaped breather hole, is from an earlier time frame (1921 - 1925/6 and was fitted to a miniature pen.

Hope this information is as useful as I intended to be.

Syd the Wahlnut

You have in the pic a little Bantam nib (mite fit the tiniest metal Wahl too) and bunch of Skyline nibs. Raw Skyline pens tend to be $20-ish items. costs $25-35 to restore. Retail for excellent pens starts around $100 after restoration. Nibs? Save for exotic (one in you bunch has very plump tip, which is desirable), raw nibs retail around $15 wholesale less. That said, gold has grown pricey of late. Should weigh the nibs, but the one with plump tip definitely is bonus

I'll be happy to chat with you directly as well. You either can hit my name/profile and send via-FPN note or send proper email My email is

isaacson@frontiernet.net

I like these. Here are some images of Wahl's i've photographed. Some from my collection.












regards

david

Thank you both for the input. I didn't know there was a selling forum, so the advice has proven worthwhile. I can easily conduct business externally or on that channel, so thanks. This seemed like the most obvious place to discover what I have before any offering commences.

As for David's photos. I have 3 of the second photo however they are a black with a gold overlay. The middle (shiny) part of the pattern is black. Quite an attractive pen, however all in need of some TLC.

When I get to work I will photo some and we can all have a nice time putting this puzzle together.

Syd, Just so everyone knows, I am not anything more than a guy that found some interesting merchandise but I do love learning more everyday in my trade.

I believe there should be some interesting stuff. Once I photo and post we can get together on the market channel. or message direct.

Everyone have a wonderful day,
Brad

I would suggest that when you have pics post them here. We can id them and give you price ranges. Then you can make better posts with complete descriptions and set prices for the sales board.

Hi Syd,

Yep. I wasn't sure how to answer without diving into "business" since the heart of question was about selling, but happy to follow up in sales forum too, if it gets there.

d

Ok, I have a lot of photos. I will try to reduce them so it doesn't take forever to view. I hope these will give everyone enough info to figure out what's here.

thanks, Brad

PS will upload shortly.

Here are Pen & nib Photos. Pencils will follow. Some pencils match Pens.

Well, you have a lot of "Skyline" nibs and some of them are good ones. Ordinary Skyline nibs are very common and not worth much and even though most of yours fit that category it looks like you have about 10 or so stub or italic which are premium nibs and some two tone nibs also very nice. On the pens the first one is by far the best, depending on condition several hundred or more. The other metal pens look nice and are fairly common machined finishes. Unless there are some of the large sizes in there, and again depending on condition (dings and dents?) they might bring 100-150 each. The last pens are Skylines with gold filled derbies. If not dented maybe 70-80 each. That's just a quick first blush overview. If I were you I'd sell the pens, the 2 tone nibs, and the italic nibs individually and package the other nibs together into lots of 5 or 6 each. PS - my pen prices are assuming the pens have new sacs, good nibs and no issues.

The Pencils =====>

Hi Brad,

I sent you a PM (hit MY CONTROLS) at top of page, pull up your inbox hit the note and then can return note

Or just email me isaacson@frontiernet.net

Lots of ways to do this, but... well... i like to buy old pens and if you wish to sell, we can chat

regards

david

I hope everyone enjoys browsing these. pens & pencils are in various conditions; however, I was told all the nibs were new old stock. I counted out the nibs today and there are several hundred. the ones i have the most of are the single banner (various assortment).

I am not qualified nor capable of identifying every variation so I counted out 20 and photoed them.

I must run for the moment but will return later to communicate. and possibly start the discussion of selling on the market channel.

thanks all, and enjoy,
Brad

A few of those pencils are nice, the Coronet (last) and the Doric (faceted plastic). Most are kind of ho hum and not easy to sell.

As for measurements on the pens & pencils:

All except the engraved greek key machined pens are ~4 7/8, the smaller greek key is 4 1/4. the skylines are 4 9/16

the pencils are as follows:

necklace green is 3 7/8 and the burgundy one next to it is 3 3/4
the 2 coronet are 5 1/16
doric is 4 5/16
skyline pencil is 4 9/16
the 2 greek key pencils are 1/4 diameter (black cap) & 3/8 diameter (gold top)

why does the one have a black cap with model & price on it?

thanks, brad

All of the pens with gold filled or gold cap ends and pencils with similar bright work at their vulnerable edges were sent from the factory with that "cap" as you call it. The cap has two purposes. 1) it is a protector that keeps the Gold filled caps, pencil ends and gold filled area on the cap of some pens with gold filled cap ends from being damaged in transit and 2) it made a convenient place for the model numbers and prices to be put on the pens at the factory (as opposed to string tags, and stickers.) All of the pens sold by Wahl-Eversharp were sold to dealers at "list" (retail price) less dealer discounts. That is the retail price was set at the factory and put on the pens there. The dealer paid something less than that and sold it to the consumer for the full or "list" price. So it was also a way for the factory to be more certain that their products would start out life at the same level pricing across their retail dealer "network".

Syd

Syd, good afternoon. thanks for the info on the cap. i figured it had to be something simple like that. i didn't want to remove it since it had info on it.

i think it is going to be the nibs that will be difficult to identify & value. i can try to do better as far as photos but was hoping to get a rough idea without.

the pens that look most interesting to me are the colonades? with the pyralin inlay?

thanks all for browsing and advising. will be moving to the market channel soon.

have a wonderful day,
brad

The Coronets have the Pyraliin. The colonnades have, i think, paint or somesuch. Don't polish away the black paint! :_)

david

David is as usual, correct about the colonnades. To add some additional instructive value here... The recesses were enamel filled, but not completely as there are tiny ridges inside each recesses that will not be completely covered and gave an interesting sub-feature detail to the design. The Coronets on the other hand really do not have insets. There is a one piece tube of pyralin that runs inside the barrel and inside the cap from end to end that shows through the "tole" work cut outs of the metal outer barrel and cap.

Syd

Good evening all. I noticed on another topic that the pens model #'s are coded. can anyone help with the pens and pencils above?
i read something syd wrote about the ID in marc's new topic and got me thinking.

762AZRC The numbers mean a #7 length pen with a #6 nib and equivalent girth pen, and the #2 means it is a dart pattern. The AZ means it has the 1/8" gold filled cap band and the RC means it has a roller clip.

can these #'s be reverse engineered from the pens? or does anyone have more input on the photos?

thanks and have a great night.
brad

Wahl-Eversharp had at least 3 numbering systems over the years from 1915 to 1939 and others after that. Regarding fountain pens only, the first was a direct carryover from the Boston Safety Pen Company which Wahl bought most of the rights and old stock from in 1917-18. That is the case with the number part of the numbering system used when Marc's pen was made. That is the 762 part. The AZRC was was added by Whal. That numbering system lasted until the Plastic Era (1926-7 when the variations in color and pattern became to many and too varied to fit inside the old numbering system. Now the Metal pens (there were two different manufacturing techniques on the metal pens - the metal overlays were first and a carryoverfrom Boston,and the All-Metals). The outer patterns and numbers however remained the same for a while.

Now for the pens you have shown:
The Colonnades you show are either number X7364 in 1928 and number 7473C in 1929. Go figure. The 1929 pen was a gold seal with an interchangeable personal point section and the 1928 was not. Check yours out and see if the nib and feed unscrew from the section CAREFULLY. These can be hard to remove if they have been intact for some time.

So while it is possible to reverse engineer some Wahl-Eversharp model numbers form the characteristics of the pen, it is a very difficult process and depends on knowing what numbers go with what time frame. Here is an original EARLY Wahl Eversharp numbering key to pore over:

Syd



This chart is from 1921 and covers the Rubber, metal, enamel on metal pens and pencils etc. Each Factory pen catalog given to dealers back then has all the stock numbers in a appendix in the back of the catalog. Pens were ordered by number only. They did not suffer from our latter day desire to identify pens by DESCRIBING them or by trying to call them by a model NAME.

I am not sure this post will answer many questions for you, but it is a start

Syd

Syd, very interesting. although i cannot read the sheet, that looks like a handy bit of information for a collector.

For those interested i am moving discussion to the market channel. anyone interested in participating should express that interest on that channel

have a great day,
brad