Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Do you have or use blotters?
The Fountain Pen Network > General Pen Topics > Paper and Pen Paraphernalia
Pages: 1, 2
myles
QUOTE(Shangas @ Mar 26 2008, 09:29 PM) [snapback]557818[/snapback]
And before blotting-paper, what else was used instead? I keep hearing sand, but sand sounds extremely impractical and messy. But how was that used anyway?


Used in a pot with a perforated top, like a salt-shaker. Shake sand (see below) over your newly written words, allow it to absorb/soak up access wet ink, possibly some drying time, then tip/brush sand off. Helps ink dry faster and possibly helps reduce spreading/feathering.

A range of substances were used apart from sand - powdered ash, powdered pumice or chalk or magnesia, powdered gum sandarac(h) possibly mixed with pumice or ground cuttlefish bone, powdered charcoal, or similar material.

The material was generally known as pounce, from pumice, and the container was often called a pounce-pot or pounce-box.

Pounce-bags, semi-permeable bags filled with similar material, are still used in some calligraphy today to also prepare a surface (absorb excess oils that can cause ink to spread), stop ink spread (feathering) through coarser surfaces and apparently to add texture to over-smooth surfaces.

Some sources:
Forty Centuries of Ink by David N. Carvalho (1848-1925) - you can read it online here
Wikipedia entry for Pounce (calligraphy)
Pounce pouches for calligraphy

QUOTE(Shangas @ Mar 26 2008, 09:29 PM) [snapback]557818[/snapback]
When was blotting-paper, of the kind used by us - for soaking up excess writing-ink - actually invented and first used?


15th century, apparently.

Sources:

A history of paper page claims it was mentioned in 1465, mentions used remnants of it found in 15th century documents, and gives a wonderful quote from 1519: "Blotting is mentioned in W. Horman's Vulgaria, 1519 (p. 8o cool.gif :
Blottyng papyr serveth to drye weete wryttynge, lest there be made blottis or blurris"
This information appears to have been extracted from the paper entry of the online encyclopaedia based on 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica.

The same information and quote also appears in the more informative entry for blotting paper (p. 55) in the Encyclopedia of Ephemera on Google Books.

Regards, Myles.
FredRydr
By the way, one of the old rocker blotters I bought has a piece of thick soft felt-like material beneath the blotter paper, which makes for a really nice feel as the rocker is pressed and rocked, and the contact between blotter and inked paper gives a little. This felt is about 1/8-inch thick, and looks like something an upholsterer would install beneath fabric.

I intend to find and install this felt in my other old and new rockers.

Fred
jbb
QUOTE(FredRydr @ Mar 31 2008, 07:41 PM) [snapback]563663[/snapback]
By the way, one of the old rocker blotters I bought has a piece of thick soft felt-like material beneath the blotter paper, which makes for a really nice feel as the rocker is pressed and rocked, and the contact between blotter and inked paper gives a little. This felt is about 1/8-inch thick, and looks like something an upholsterer would install beneath fabric.

I intend to find and install this felt in my other old and new rockers.

Fred

That's an interesting idea. Will you use thick-ish felt from a fabric store?
Shangas
Sounds like a sort of felt or sponge. Would make for a nice cushioning effect smile.gif
FredRydr
QUOTE(jbb @ Mar 31 2008, 10:48 PM) [snapback]563673[/snapback]
QUOTE(FredRydr @ Mar 31 2008, 07:41 PM) [snapback]563663[/snapback]
By the way, one of the old rocker blotters I bought has a piece of thick soft felt-like material beneath the blotter paper, which makes for a really nice feel as the rocker is pressed and rocked, and the contact between blotter and inked paper gives a little. This felt is about 1/8-inch thick, and looks like something an upholsterer would install beneath fabric.

I intend to find and install this felt in my other old and new rockers.

Fred

That's an interesting idea. Will you use thick-ish felt from a fabric store?


jbb:

As I wrote the foregoing post, I took the bakelite blotter apart to get a better look and feel of the felt-like material, and the stuff is designed to give in compression similar to a carpet pad, not have high strength as an apparel fabric. It even looks like padding, not felt. If felt is your choice, the lesson from the material on my blotter is to select felt that gives slightly and doesn't merely have a soft surface.

Fred
Wolverine1
JBB- I have a small rocker blotter made of wood. I think it was made by J Herbin, (the same company that makes the inks, got it from Pendemonium.) On the advice of a friend, I went to a fabric/craft/scrapbooking store, where they gave me a piece of soft felt, that I super-glued to the blotter. The blotting paper goes over it,and that makes the process of blotting much better. And since the piece of felt was a small piece that was "waste" for them, they gave it to me for free.
Shangas
If I might ask - what is the purpose of this extra padding?
FredRydr
QUOTE(Shangas @ Apr 1 2008, 09:07 AM) [snapback]563984[/snapback]
If I might ask - what is the purpose of this extra padding?

My blotter came that way (see the black bakelite rocker in the photo, above). I suppose it ensures good flat contact with the surface to be blotted. I don't know if it is historically correct or not.

Blotters do work. Here is the result of writing three-dozen picture post cards in the last two weeks for the FPN postcard swap, most of which have coated paper. I was using Aurora or Sailor black, or Havana brown.

Click to view attachment

Fred
hardyb
I found a heavy gage cardboard tube that was the core of a paper machine tape roll. It is about 4.5 inches long and has a diameter of about 1 inch. This tube is very strong, hollow and I fastened a strip of blotting paper around the outside of it. I put horizontally above the ink to be bloted and just roll it lengthwise downward over the line or signature I wish to blot. A cheap recycled roller blotter!
jbb
QUOTE(hardyb @ Apr 1 2008, 08:34 AM) [snapback]564148[/snapback]
I found a heavy gage cardboard tube that was the core of a paper machine tape roll. It is about 4.5 inches long and has a diameter of about 1 inch. This tube is very strong, hollow and I fastened a strip of blotting paper around the outside of it. I put horizontally above the ink to be bloted and just roll it lengthwise downward over the line or signature I wish to blot. A cheap recycled roller blotter!

thumbup.gif I love clever ideas like that!!! thumbup.gif
fountainpenjunkie
Hey, thanks everybody for the responses. It is great to see all the blotters plus hear the "MacGyver" solutions. It encouraged me to use my Yellow Lamy Safari to lay down a thick wet line of Noodlers black on a label and blot it up with a napkin. Sometimes my brain just isn't very inventive or solution - oriented. Thanks!
TMLee
QUOTE(FredRydr @ Apr 1 2008, 02:41 AM) [snapback]563663[/snapback]
By the way, one of the old rocker blotters I bought has a piece of thick soft felt-like material beneath the blotter paper, which makes for a really nice feel as the rocker is pressed and rocked, and the contact between blotter and inked paper gives a little. This felt is about 1/8-inch thick, and looks like something an upholsterer would install beneath fabric.

I intend to find and install this felt in my other old and new rockers.

Fred




For all of U with rocker blotters, I have a better idea for that replacement felt.
Why not use those 3mm or so thick foam ? You know, those that your kids use to make art and craft. They are colorful too.
Such a material is ideal. Its consistent in thickness and since its foam, it compresses perfectly when you apply pressure whilst blotting.
You can cut to its exact size needed yielding a cleancut edge.
Black would be most appropriate.

I am mulling over the idea of making a mini-rocker blotter soon. Managed to find and buy the knob and metal parts.

At the moment , I am using a crude teak cylindrical block taped with blotter paper.




I intend to cut this block up to make 4 mini rocking blotters. I haven't figure out yet how to make the lid piece.

Its shown here sitting on the foam I am talking about.




I like that rocker thats so intricately carved and painted that was posted here by Rena. How I wish I knew how to decorate wood.

I am thinking of somehow personalising the timber lid piece. Any suggestions?
Just occurred to me might be fantastic if the lid can be carved to show veins that are matching to say the veins of Montegrappa 1930 Green Marble OR the OMAS 360 Wild Celluloid OR the Stipula Etruria Alter Ego .!!!

Anyway its all wishful thinking....











Wildoaklane
QUOTE(myles @ Mar 26 2008, 09:59 PM) [snapback]558616[/snapback]
QUOTE(Shangas @ Mar 26 2008, 09:29 PM) [snapback]557818[/snapback]
And before blotting-paper, what else was used instead? I keep hearing sand, but sand sounds extremely impractical and messy. But how was that used anyway?


Used in a pot with a perforated top, like a salt-shaker. Shake sand (see below) over your newly written words, allow it to absorb/soak up access wet ink, possibly some drying time, then tip/brush sand off. Helps ink dry faster and possibly helps reduce spreading/feathering.

A range of substances were used apart from sand - powdered ash, powdered pumice or chalk or magnesia, powdered gum sandarac(h) possibly mixed with pumice or ground cuttlefish bone, powdered charcoal, or similar material.

The material was generally known as pounce, from pumice, and the container was often called a pounce-pot or pounce-box.

Pounce-bags, semi-permeable bags filled with similar material, are still used in some calligraphy today to also prepare a surface (absorb excess oils that can cause ink to spread), stop ink spread (feathering) through coarser surfaces and apparently to add texture to over-smooth surfaces.

Some sources:
Forty Centuries of Ink by David N. Carvalho (1848-1925) - you can read it online here
Wikipedia entry for Pounce (calligraphy)
Pounce pouches for calligraphy

Thanks so much for so completely answering this question. It is one I've asked many times. I have found pounce for sale on websites selling drafting supplies. It's nice to finally know what it is that I'm searching for and makes the hunt more fun. Thanks!

QUOTE(Shangas @ Mar 26 2008, 09:29 PM) [snapback]557818[/snapback]
When was blotting-paper, of the kind used by us - for soaking up excess writing-ink - actually invented and first used?


15th century, apparently.

Sources:

A history of paper page claims it was mentioned in 1465, mentions used remnants of it found in 15th century documents, and gives a wonderful quote from 1519: "Blotting is mentioned in W. Horman's Vulgaria, 1519 (p. 8o cool.gif :
Blottyng papyr serveth to drye weete wryttynge, lest there be made blottis or blurris"
This information appears to have been extracted from the paper entry of the online encyclopaedia based on 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica.

The same information and quote also appears in the more informative entry for blotting paper (p. 55) in the Encyclopedia of Ephemera on Google Books.

Regards, Myles.

Swanquill
QUOTE(Titivillus @ Mar 21 2008, 10:53 AM) [snapback]552766[/snapback]
QUOTE(WhosYerBob @ Mar 21 2008, 08:50 AM) [snapback]552731[/snapback]
QUOTE(fountainpenjunkie @ Mar 19 2008, 05:40 PM) [snapback]551045[/snapback]
So, when you flip over a page to write on the other side, you are automatically blotting? Are there all kinds of ink marks on it?

Correct, I don't have to wait for the ink to dry or reach for a rocker, I just flip the page and start writing. And, yes, there are all sorts of marks on it that I wouldn't have anticipated being there, especially reds for some reason.



There's a scene in "Mrs. Brown" where the queen finished writing a letter then flips it and presses it against the desk blotter.

Kurt


I think the definitive movie scene with blotting is in an old farce called The Wrong Box: Peter Sellers is a doctor filling out a death certificate and to blot it, picks up a very obliging cat. Brings me to tears every time.

Swanquill a.k.a Lea
GeeTee
My old blotter. It's on my desk, but i don't use it. I don't have any blotter paper, don't know a show who sells it actually. My ink i dry before i get to it anyway. I have it for ages, more than 30 years. Don't know where it came from. I got i from my parents but don't know where they got it, or how long they had it.
PacificCoastPen
I just back from a vacation trip to Hawaii and saved some bar coasters with some logo on it. That worked ok as a blotter but not as absorbent as regular blotter paper.

Wanda
fountainpenjunkie
QUOTE(GeeTee @ Jul 4 2008, 03:03 AM) [snapback]659842[/snapback]
My old blotter. It's on my desk, but i don't use it. I don't have any blotter paper, don't know a show who sells it actually. My ink i dry before i get to it anyway. I have it for ages, more than 30 years. Don't know where it came from. I got i from my parents but don't know where they got it, or how long they had it.

Wow, what a surprise! That is a great looking blotter! Ink dried up? Do you use fountain pens at all?
fountainpenjunkie
QUOTE(PacificCoastPen @ Jul 4 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]660180[/snapback]
I just back from a vacation trip to Hawaii and saved some bar coasters with some logo on it. That worked ok as a blotter but not as absorbent as regular blotter paper.

Wanda

Thanks for the update Wanda. I had planned on picking some up since someone mentioned they work great. We used to have a bunch around here.
PacificCoastPen
TmLee,
Regards personalizing the top of your future rocker blotter....some ideas....wood burning kit? decoupage? sea glass? If you want to get really loose ideas, ask a kid. Craft stores have pretty amazing array of small items for scrapbooking these days. There are also scrapbooking stores.

I am making an ink cabinet out of a Michael's craftstore premade box and plan to paint it with primary colors and maybe glue household scavenged items on it. No, it won't match my sofa.

Wanda
jbb
I've got this rocking blotter over in the sale section if anyone is interested:
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...mp;#entry661809
Shangas
Is it just me, or does that look extremely heavy? What's the top made of? Marble?

jbb
QUOTE (Shangas @ Jul 12 2008, 06:07 PM) *
Is it just me, or does that look extremely heavy? What's the top made of? Marble?

Yes, it's marble and it weighs a full pound!
spike789
Here's an art supply store that has blotting paper: Dick Blick Art Supply
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2008 Invision Power Services, Inc.