fountainbel
Mar 5 2008, 03:33 PM
Attached a picture of the just finalized prototype. ( sorry for the bad quality of the picture)
Being a fan of the beautiful Sheaffer vac-fills, I decided to make my own demonstrator, using modern sealing techniques.
I've learned a lot on machining polycarbonate in making the parts, so next version will be perfect.
The pen has a 100% filling rate- being a full 3cc- and is the size of a Montblanc 149, although slightly smaller in diameter.
On the prototype I installed a Sheaffer nib & feed , mounted in a snug fit sleeve in the section.
Next version will probably be equipped with a Pelikan 800 screw nib assembly, at least when I find the specific taps & dies !
Can anyone of you help me to localize these tools?
For the rod seal I used my V4 fountainbel cartridge, which is the one I use for the repair of OS Sheaffer vac-fill's
Th plunger is equipped with a cup seal & a separate O ring seal which seals the ink chamber air tight against a conical seat in the section end.
This "shut-off" valve approach was already used by Onoto, but using an O ring seal the system is really air tight, avoiding any leakage or bleeding triggered by temperature & air pressure variations.
Behind the feed remains an ink reserve off approximately 0.5cc, allowing writing even with a closed shut-off valve.
By pointing the nib upwards & opening the filling knob one turn the shut-off valve opens, the ink flows completely back in the main reservoir, closing the valve the complete ink reserve is airtight isolated.
The cap closes on 1/4 turn, using a "double bajonet" enlosure system, whereby the front section end is pressed against a rubber seal ensuring air tight enclosure of the nib.
The section is screw fitted in the barrel, sealing in the barrel is obtained by a radial O ring in front of the threaded part, so the ink can not penetrate in the threads.
The pen can be completely dismantled in 10 minutes, without any special tools or the need of heat;
No shellac sealing, nothing is glued, hence optimum maintenance friendly.
All seals are standard of the shelf O rings ( 6 pieces) except for the piston cup seal , for which I've made me a twin punching tool.
Except for the nib, feed & O rings seals, all parts were fabricated in my shop.
Clip and cap are made from stainless steel, making the clip was in fact the hardest part.
Your comments & thoughts on both mechanical & esthetical aspects are appriciated !
Regards, Francis
Edited for spelling faults
F308gt4
Mar 5 2008, 04:03 PM
That is absolutely beautiful!!
Great job.
Dr.Grace
Mar 5 2008, 05:19 PM
Francis,
What a fantastic thing! I love the idea of fitting it for Pelikan nibs. Would it be able to use the more common varieties, including the pre-ground nibs sold by Richard Binder?
Don
Michael R.
Mar 5 2008, 05:48 PM
Dear Francis,
Great job?
Will you be at the Cologne pen show this weekend?
I hope to see you there and please bring your prototype with you so I can admire it in real life :-)
Cheers
Michael
oliverob
Mar 5 2008, 06:48 PM
QUOTE(fountainbel @ Mar 5 2008, 09:33 AM) [snapback]535389[/snapback]
Attached a picture of the just finalized prototype. ( sorry for the bad quality of the picture)
Being a fan of the beautiful Sheaffer vac-fills, I decided to make my own demonstrator, using modern sealing techniques.
I've learned a lot on machining polycarbonate in making the parts, so next version will be perfect.
The pen has a 100% filling rate- being a full 3cc- and is the size of a Montblanc 149, although slightly smaller in diameter.
On the prototype I installed a Sheaffer nib & feed , mounted in a snug fit sleeve in the section.
Next version will probably be equipped with a Pelikan 800 screw nib assembly, at least when I find the specific taps & dies !
Can anyone of you help me to localize these tools?
For the rod seal I used my V4 fountainbel cartridge, which is the one I use for the repair of OS Sheaffer vac-fill's
Th plunger is equipped with a cup seal & a separate O ring seal which seals the ink chamber air tight against a conical seat in the section end.
This "shut-off" valve approach was already used by Onoto, but using an O ring seal the system is really air tight, avoiding any leakage or bleeding triggered by temperature & air pressure variations.
Behind the feed remains an ink reserve off approximately 0.5cc, allowing writing even with a closed shut-off valve.
By pointing the nib upwards & opening the filling knob one turn the shut-off valve opens, the ink flows completely back in the main reservoir, closing the valve the complete ink reserve is airtight isolated.
The cap closes on 1/4 turn, using a "double bajonet" enlosure system, whereby the front section end is pressed against a rubber seal ensuring air tight enclosure of the nib.
The section is screw fitted in the barrel, sealing in the barrel is obtained by a radial O ring in front of the threaded part, so the ink can not penetrate in the threads.
The pen can be completely dismantled in 10 minutes, without any special tools or the need of heat;
No shellac sealing, nothing is glued, hence optimum maintenance friendly.
All seals are standard of the shelf O rings ( 6 pieces) except for the piston cup seal , for which I've made me a twin punching tool.
Except for the nib, feed & O rings seals, all parts were fabricated in my shop.
Clip and cap are made from stainless steel, making the clip was in fact the hardest part.
Your comments & thoughts on both mechanical & esthetical aspects are appriciated !
Regards, Francis
Edited for spelling faults
Francis,
I would like to add my humble awe and admiration for your beautiful and ingenious creation. What a treat!
Oliver
Tberry010
Mar 5 2008, 10:40 PM
Fraancis: Not a maker and don't really understnad the technical details, but sure do like the looks and can appreciated the craftsmanship. Tberry
bgray
Mar 5 2008, 10:53 PM
Great job.
That's wonderful!
WOW! Great idea and construction!
jaytaylor
Mar 6 2008, 03:11 AM
QUOTE(fountainbel @ Mar 6 2008, 04:33 AM) [snapback]535389[/snapback]
Attached a picture of the just finalized prototype. ( sorry for the bad quality of the picture)
Being a fan of the beautiful Sheaffer vac-fills, I decided to make my own demonstrator, using modern sealing techniques.
I've learned a lot on machining polycarbonate in making the parts, so next version will be perfect.
The pen has a 100% filling rate- being a full 3cc- and is the size of a Montblanc 149, although slightly smaller in diameter.
On the prototype I installed a Sheaffer nib & feed , mounted in a snug fit sleeve in the section.
Next version will probably be equipped with a Pelikan 800 screw nib assembly, at least when I find the specific taps & dies !
Can anyone of you help me to localize these tools?
For the rod seal I used my V4 fountainbel cartridge, which is the one I use for the repair of OS Sheaffer vac-fill's
Th plunger is equipped with a cup seal & a separate O ring seal which seals the ink chamber air tight against a conical seat in the section end.
This "shut-off" valve approach was already used by Onoto, but using an O ring seal the system is really air tight, avoiding any leakage or bleeding triggered by temperature & air pressure variations.
Behind the feed remains an ink reserve off approximately 0.5cc, allowing writing even with a closed shut-off valve.
By pointing the nib upwards & opening the filling knob one turn the shut-off valve opens, the ink flows completely back in the main reservoir, closing the valve the complete ink reserve is airtight isolated.
The cap closes on 1/4 turn, using a "double bajonet" enlosure system, whereby the front section end is pressed against a rubber seal ensuring air tight enclosure of the nib.
The section is screw fitted in the barrel, sealing in the barrel is obtained by a radial O ring in front of the threaded part, so the ink can not penetrate in the threads.
The pen can be completely dismantled in 10 minutes, without any special tools or the need of heat;
No shellac sealing, nothing is glued, hence optimum maintenance friendly.
All seals are standard of the shelf O rings ( 6 pieces) except for the piston cup seal , for which I've made me a twin punching tool.
Except for the nib, feed & O rings seals, all parts were fabricated in my shop.
Clip and cap are made from stainless steel, making the clip was in fact the hardest part.
Your comments & thoughts on both mechanical & esthetical aspects are appriciated !
Regards, Francis
Edited for spelling faults
Hats off to you, thats a fine looking pen. I like the wide cap band and steel clip. Nice touch with the Sheaffer nib, it really suits the pen.
If you want to sell this or pens based on this design I most definately want one.
Again well done.
amh210
Mar 6 2008, 03:21 AM
Very, very cool!
I like the look and am intrigued by the technology.
Can you make a bunch more and sell them here in the Marketplace?
Andy
jmkeuning
Mar 6 2008, 04:38 AM
QUOTE
Can you make a bunch more and sell them here in the Marketplace?
That's what I'm thinking too.
artaddict
Mar 6 2008, 04:54 AM
Nice work!
penguinmaster
Mar 6 2008, 05:16 AM
QUOTE(jmkeuning @ Mar 5 2008, 10:38 PM) [snapback]536100[/snapback]
QUOTE
Can you make a bunch more and sell them here in the Marketplace?
That's what I'm thinking too.
I was thinking the same thing. I like it with the Sheaffer nib though too. It kind of mixes the old with the new.
Ondina
Mar 6 2008, 07:59 AM
Great Job!. I would go for one if you're up to selling them at the markeplace. Pelikan, Sheaffer of whatever nib. It really amazes me what a craftsman with a will can do.
Epictete92
Mar 6 2008, 01:33 PM
Hello my friend,
Well first as many people people i m very impressed by your work and not only on this pen but also about your restoration results.
About this pen, of course i am a real lucky man cause i will try it at the Cologne pen show ( and will meet Michael also ).
I would be really interested to know if you plan to sell it, if yes, when you version number 2 will be ready and do you think of colored models?
Again, that s a very great work and how many hours have you spent on this...?
Best
Jean Elie
hardyb
Mar 6 2008, 04:56 PM
Clearly perfect!
Michael R.
Mar 6 2008, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(Epictete92 @ Mar 6 2008, 05:33 AM) [snapback]536347[/snapback]
( and will meet Michael also )
...for those who don't know what I look like :-)

See you in Cologne
Michael
fountainbel
Mar 6 2008, 06:46 PM
My sincere thanks for your positive reactions.
I've still not decided in making a small series of the pen. there is a lot of work involved!
Next step is to correct the CAD drawings, including the small improvements I have in mind.
I'll surely make me a few "finalized" versions, overcoming the small shortcomings inherent to a prototype.
Input a suggestions on the esthetical aspects of the pen remain most welcome !
Thanks a lot ,& hope the see some of you in Cologne, surely Michael & Jean Elie !
Francis
Edited for spelling
It looks like a very nice pen, although I am not such a big fan of wide cap bands. Still I second the previous proposals that it would be great if you made several of these and offered them for sale.
And by the way, you make the making of the pen sound so easy... almost as if anybody could make his/her own particular pen even with such an elaborate filling system. Oh I wish!
Thanks and regards, Zed
sheafferkid
Mar 6 2008, 11:08 PM
Awesome job Francis! I have always admired your work with Vac-Fils; they are some of my favorite pens. Thats really awesome. I certainly will look into purchasing one if you make more.
Evan
amh210
Mar 7 2008, 12:56 AM
QUOTE(fountainbel @ Mar 6 2008, 10:46 AM) [snapback]536623[/snapback]
My sincere thanks for your positive reactions.
I've still not decided in making a small series of the pen. there is a lot of work involved!
Next step is to correct the CAD drawings, including the small improvements I have in mind.
I'll surely make me a few "finalized" versions, overcoming the small shortcomings inherent to a prototype.
Input a suggestions on the esthetical aspects of the pen remain most welcome !
Thanks a lot ,& hope the see some of you in Cologne, surely Michael & Jean Elie !
Francis
Edited for spelling
If we can do anything more to encourage you, just let us know. In your post you mentioned that making the clip was the hardest part. As far as I'm concerned, I'd be happy to have the pen sans clip if that made it easier enough to encourage you to produce them.
As far as esthetic suggestions, it would be easier if you could post higher quality photographs.
Andy
jjudge
Mar 7 2008, 04:04 AM
There are discussions on penturners.org about the tap and die (threading) ... but the repair forum, here at fountainpennetwork had some postings about the Pelikan nib holder's threading.
I seem to remember that its not a special thread. It was a standard metric tap.
I'd love to hear more about the connection between the body and the cap.
- - joe
fountainbel
Mar 7 2008, 09:12 AM
Hi Joe,
The nib unit threads specifications for an M400 to M600 are M7 x 0.70 pitch according my measurements.
I can only get a standard tap & die of M7 x0.75, the pitch of 0.7 is to be made specially.
As for the M800 nib, I think its M8 x0.70 pitch, again only M8x 0.75 is obtainable.
I'll shortly post a sketch on the "double bajonet" connection between cap & barrel
Francis
QUOTE(jjudge @ Mar 7 2008, 05:04 AM) [snapback]537153[/snapback]
There are discussions on penturners.org about the tap and die (threading) ... but the repair forum, here at fountainpennetwork had some postings about the Pelikan nib holder's threading.
I seem to remember that its not a special thread. It was a standard metric tap.
I'd love to hear more about the connection between the body and the cap.
- - joe
goodyear
Mar 11 2008, 11:46 AM
If you ever decide to sell a few of these, I will be seriously considering one.
Looks a cracker!
richardandtracy
Mar 11 2008, 12:43 PM
Very smart.
I'm curious. How do you get the bore smoothe enough to seal against the piston? Do you ream & then lap it, or do you just ream it?
Regards
Richard.
aurrida
Mar 11 2008, 07:53 PM
its great seeing someone achieve the seemingly impossible, i am looking forward to seeing part 2.
Martius
Mar 12 2008, 03:28 AM
Ever thought of putting your own hallmark or symbol on the pens? When I saw that this pen was a vac-fil, I immediately looked for the white dot.
I think having your own mark on the final versions would be a great touch.
Best,
Summer Greer
Rapt
Mar 12 2008, 12:39 PM
Great work!
Love the looks. If you go into making and selling you might also consider making a "flat-top" style with flattened ends a la Sailor Sapporo/Pro Gear.
But in any case this pen is spectacular. I love the vac-filler concept.
ethernautrix
Mar 12 2008, 07:06 PM
Wow... how did you do that? And by "how did you do that," I mean, "how can I get one?"
I like Rapt's idea about a flat top.
I like everyone else's idea about urging you to make a bunch of these and selling them here.
I like too much!
fountainbel
Mar 12 2008, 11:37 PM
Thanks a lot for the nice comments, It's really appreciated.
But : You ain't seen nothing yet !
Tomorrow I will post some pictures of a "swirled hard rubber" version of the same pen.
I've bought me some HR bar stock from FPN member Michael Richter at the Cologne pen show last Saturday & started making the pen on Sunday
After 4 long working days the pen is now just finished.
I'll take pictures by daylight tomorrow.
Look forward to read your comments on this beauty !
Francis
fountainbel
Mar 12 2008, 11:55 PM
Richard,
The shut-off valve uses an ring which seals on a 90° conical seat, no reaming or lapping needed.
regards, Francis
QUOTE(richardandtracy @ Mar 11 2008, 01:43 PM) [snapback]541739[/snapback]
Very smart.
I'm curious. How do you get the bore smoothe enough to seal against the piston? Do you ream & then lap it, or do you just ream it?
Regards
Richard.
richardandtracy
Mar 13 2008, 09:58 AM
QUOTE(fountainbel @ Mar 12 2008, 11:55 PM) [snapback]543484[/snapback]
Richard,
The shut-off valve uses an ring which seals on a 90° conical seat, no reaming or lapping needed.
regards, Francis
Clever, very clever.
Regards
Richard.
Ruaidhri
Mar 17 2008, 07:50 PM
QUOTE(fountainbel @ Mar 7 2008, 09:12 AM) [snapback]537311[/snapback]
Hi Joe,
The nib unit threads specifications for an M400 to M600 are M7 x 0.70 pitch according my measurements.
I can only get a standard tap & die of M7 x0.75, the pitch of 0.7 is to be made specially.
As for the M800 nib, I think its M8 x0.70 pitch, again only M8x 0.75 is obtainable.
I'll shortly post a sketch on the "double bajonet" connection between cap & barrel
Francis
QUOTE(jjudge @ Mar 7 2008, 05:04 AM) [snapback]537153[/snapback]
There are discussions on penturners.org about the tap and die (threading) ... but the repair forum, here at fountainpennetwork had some postings about the Pelikan nib holder's threading.
I seem to remember that its not a special thread. It was a standard metric tap.
I'd love to hear more about the connection between the body and the cap.
- - joe
Francis,
That is one VERY tasty piece of work!!Have you considered making the tap?
Respect,
Ruaidhrí
richardandtracy
Mar 18 2008, 10:10 AM
QUOTE(Ruaidhri @ Mar 17 2008, 07:50 PM) [snapback]548647[/snapback]
Have you considered making the tap?
Tap making is not too bad if it's for a soft material. A standard free cutting steel will work as a tap in most plastics for a while without the need for case hardening.
Regards
Richard.
fountainbel
Mar 18 2008, 12:18 PM
Hi Ruaidhri & Richard
Thanks for the compliment on my pen and also for your suggestion in making a tap.
I thought about that, but first I have to be sure on the thread.
I'm actually nearly sure the M800 nib assembly thread is not a metrical one, but an UNS 11/32-36.
this also is not a real "standard" thread, but i hope I can localize a vendor once I'm sure.
The thread dimensions fit perfectly with the outer diameter of the nib thread, being 8.65 mm.
A friend thinks he has such a tap in his drawers & a will do test.
I'll surely keep you informed
Francis
That is one VERY tasty piece of work!!
Have you considered making the tap?
Respect,
Ruaidhrí
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strunkl
Mar 18 2008, 01:14 PM
fountainbel, you've singlehandedly ruined my work productivity for almost two weeks--I keep coming back to take another look at your beautiful prototype. Each time I'm hoping I'll see that you're offering a small run for the truly obsessed.
Count on hearing from my boss.
fountainbel
Mar 18 2008, 03:17 PM
Still fine tuning the design & technical aspects of the pen, it must be perfect before I decide to make a small series.
I'll surely keep you posted !
Francis
QUOTE(strunkl @ Mar 18 2008, 02:14 PM) [snapback]549305[/snapback]
fountainbel, you've singlehandedly ruined my work productivity for almost two weeks--I keep coming back to take another look at your beautiful prototype. Each time I'm hoping I'll see that you're offering a small run for the truly obsessed.
Count on hearing from my boss.
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