ANM
Feb 14 2008, 12:16 AM
It looked like a Mont Blanc. maybe a Boheme or Generations, but I couldn't tell for sure.
gregoron
Feb 14 2008, 12:57 AM
You mean as Pres. Bush signed the economic stimulus package? I'm curious about that too. Hope he used permanent ink though.
RLTodd
Feb 14 2008, 01:05 AM
I thought the Whitehouse was buying Cross Selectips in bulk.........
I would be very supprised if he was using a pen from a non American company.......
ANM
Feb 14 2008, 01:12 AM
This pen was rather thin, had a flat top and something white on top
edit: Oh and it appeared to have a slip cap.
JayLo
Feb 14 2008, 01:52 AM
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
finalidid
Feb 14 2008, 02:01 AM
Oh, but why wouldn't it be a Chinese knock-off? I mean, given the current administration's position on "most favored trade partner" despite China's industrial standards ...
punch
Feb 14 2008, 02:07 AM
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
Belan
Feb 14 2008, 02:20 AM
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 13 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]513455[/snapback]
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
Who said he can write? Even a monkey can make an "X" on a piece of paper with enough training.
ANM
Feb 14 2008, 02:23 AM
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 14 2008, 02:07 AM) [snapback]513455[/snapback]
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
LOL I think he printed
Deirdre
Feb 14 2008, 02:27 AM
Well, sounds like the description eliminates Bexley and Conklin (and probably isn't the uber-limited editions either). So I think we can assume he didn't sign anything with a US-made pen, which says a lot about the state of our country, imho.
donwinn
Feb 14 2008, 05:15 AM
QUOTE(Belan @ Feb 13 2008, 08:20 PM) [snapback]513467[/snapback]
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 13 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]513455[/snapback]
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
Who said he can write? Even a monkey can make an "X" on a piece of paper with enough training.
But can he do it while he gets a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard? GWB did both,
and can make an X on a piece of paper.
Donnie
Unic
Feb 14 2008, 12:37 PM
I am a bit upset about the definition of an "American" company.
Three facts for consideration:
1. In the second half of the nineties, Cross closed all (yes, all !!) production sites in the USA and Europe.
2. Cross pens are made in China nowadays.
3. Considering the facts, Cross is rather a Chinese rip-off than an "American classic" today
I own several Cross pens from the 80s and early 90s. Some are stamped "Made in USA", some are stamped "Made in Ireland".
Today if you take a look at Cross pens in store they have no stamp any longer. Instead there is a sticker inside the box which reads "Made in China". Would be too embarassing to stamp it on the pen...
Sorry to "speak" so loud, but things like this prevent me from sleeping at night...
No Cross for me any more. Thank you.
Axiom
Feb 14 2008, 12:44 PM
It appears to be the same manufacturer of
this pen here, except this one isn't a FP
tspin46
Feb 14 2008, 03:18 PM
Crayola?
Tony the Tiger
Feb 14 2008, 03:25 PM
QUOTE(donwinn @ Feb 13 2008, 11:15 PM) [snapback]513680[/snapback]
But can he do it while he gets a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard? GWB did both
Donnie
Go get 'em, Donnie!
shostakovich
Feb 14 2008, 03:37 PM
QUOTE(donwinn @ Feb 14 2008, 05:15 AM) [snapback]513680[/snapback]
QUOTE(Belan @ Feb 13 2008, 08:20 PM) [snapback]513467[/snapback]
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 13 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]513455[/snapback]
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
Who said he can write? Even a monkey can make an "X" on a piece of paper with enough training.
But can he do it while he gets a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard? GWB did both,
and can make an X on a piece of paper.
Donnie
Can we REALLY be sure of that??
JerryVK
Feb 14 2008, 03:49 PM
I read an article that said the president used Cross Townsend roller ball pens that were then given away.
Hoarder68
Feb 14 2008, 04:43 PM
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 13 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]513455[/snapback]
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
That was the question I was going to ask, but you have answered it.
Johnny Appleseed
Feb 14 2008, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(donwinn @ Feb 14 2008, 05:15 AM) [snapback]513680[/snapback]
QUOTE(Belan @ Feb 13 2008, 08:20 PM) [snapback]513467[/snapback]
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 13 2008, 09:07 PM) [snapback]513455[/snapback]
QUOTE(JayLo @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM) [snapback]513444[/snapback]
I too would be surprised if it wasn't American made?
I'm surprised he can write!
Who said he can write? Even a monkey can make an "X" on a piece of paper with enough training.
But can he do it while he gets a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard? GWB did both,
and can make an X on a piece of paper.
Donnie
Can we REALLY be sure of that??
Now, Now, even Molly Ivans said that he wasn't stupid - just had no ability to govern . . . But from an ardent liberal (and Texan) like Molly, that says something.
Here is an article about Pens and George W. Bush from the Presidential Pen Project by Ron Dutcher, who posts here as Kamakura Pens -
Presidential Pens - George BushIt confirms that GW uses Cross Townsend midnight blue laquer selectip pens - specially comissioned ones with his signature embossed on them at that.
John
jonro
Feb 14 2008, 05:22 PM
From what I've read, Bexley is the only company that manufactures pens in the U.S. That, of course, doesn't include pen turners or custom pen companies like Classic Pens. Bexley's pens are manufactured here, but the raw materials for the pen, like rod stock and nibs, often are not and I don't know of anyone making nibs in the U.S.
QUOTE(Unic @ Feb 14 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]513902[/snapback]
I am a bit upset about the definition of an "American" company.
Three facts for consideration:
1. In the second half of the nineties, Cross closed all (yes, all !!) production sites in the USA and Europe.
2. Cross pens are made in China nowadays.
3. Considering the facts, Cross is rather a Chinese rip-off than an "American classic" today
I own several Cross pens from the 80s and early 90s. Some are stamped "Made in USA", some are stamped "Made in Ireland".
Today if you take a look at Cross pens in store they have no stamp any longer. Instead there is a sticker inside the box which reads "Made in China". Would be too embarassing to stamp it on the pen...
Sorry to "speak" so loud, but things like this prevent me from sleeping at night...
No Cross for me any more. Thank you.
LouisA
Feb 14 2008, 05:31 PM
QUOTE(gregoron @ Feb 13 2008, 06:57 PM) [snapback]513390[/snapback]
You mean as Pres. Bush signed the economic stimulus package? I'm curious about that too. Hope he used permanent ink though.
I bet it was disappearing ink.
Lefthander
Feb 14 2008, 06:36 PM
I wondered too! I would be suprised IF IT WAS made in USA.
But whatever brand, I'm sure he's been "penified"!
SquelchB
Feb 14 2008, 06:41 PM
QUOTE(Unic @ Feb 14 2008, 01:37 PM) [snapback]513902[/snapback]
I am a bit upset about the definition of an "American" company.
Three facts for consideration:
1. In the second half of the nineties, Cross closed all (yes, all !!) production sites in the USA and Europe.
2. Cross pens are made in China nowadays.
3. Considering the facts, Cross is rather a Chinese rip-off than an "American classic" today
I own several Cross pens from the 80s and early 90s. Some are stamped "Made in USA", some are stamped "Made in Ireland".
Today if you take a look at Cross pens in store they have no stamp any longer. Instead there is a sticker inside the box which reads "Made in China". Would be too embarassing to stamp it on the pen...
Sorry to "speak" so loud, but things like this prevent me from sleeping at night...
No Cross for me any more. Thank you.
Wow. I had no idea. Cross goes off my wish list.
Kimo
Feb 14 2008, 06:56 PM
Presidents don't use fountain pens for signing laws these days - they use regular pens that have broad tipped, permanent ink, fiber-tip or similar points (like sharpies or similar). The reason is their signature has to be able to last "forever" and not fade and it has to be boldly written. The White House buys these in large quantities and has the Presidential seal and the name of the President printed on them. Whenever there is a signing ceremony, the President's handler's typically have a handful of these and as the President signs the several copies of the documents that are required to be signed, and the President uses a different pen for each copy. The handler collects each "used" pen as they hand new ones to the President, and afterwards the handler sends these "used" pens off to be put into fancy frames along with a copy of the law he signed and these are then presented to VIPs such as the Senators or Representatives who were instrumental in getting the law passed, or bigwig private sector folks who were instrumental in some aspect of getting the law passed, or a foriegn dignitary if it is an international agreement, and so on.
Deirdre
Feb 14 2008, 07:40 PM
QUOTE(Kimo @ Feb 14 2008, 10:56 AM) [snapback]514234[/snapback]
Presidents don't use fountain pens for signing laws these days - they use regular pens that have broad tipped, permanent ink, fiber-tip or similar points (like sharpies or similar). The reason is their signature has to be able to last "forever" and not fade and it has to be boldly written.
Then he should not only be using an American pen, but American ink: Noodler's.
ANM
Feb 14 2008, 07:56 PM
I read that Harry Truman gave away Esterbrook desk pens embossed "This pen was stolen from the Oval Office" Or White House, I don't remember which. I understand that Eisenhower and Kennedy also used Esterbooks marked The White House.
tnt
Feb 14 2008, 08:03 PM
I heard a rumour, probably here somewhere, that Conklin is going to move their production to China.
tnt
Feb 14 2008, 08:07 PM
Regardless of how humorous you think you are, George W Bush, as President of the United States, is the single most powerful man in the world. What's on you resume?
Tony the Tiger
Feb 14 2008, 08:12 PM
Touche` tnt.
punch
Feb 15 2008, 02:16 AM
QUOTE(tnt @ Feb 14 2008, 02:07 PM) [snapback]514304[/snapback]
Regardless of how humorous you think you are, George W Bush, as President of the United States, is the single most powerful man in the world. What's on you resume?
Well, let's see. As a Citizen of the United States of America, I guess that would be "The Most Powerful Man in the World's Boss".
xena
Feb 15 2008, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE(tnt @ Feb 14 2008, 02:07 PM) [snapback]514304[/snapback]
Regardless of how humorous you think you are, George W Bush, as President of the United States, is the single most powerful man in the world. What's on you resume?
Well, let's see. As a Citizen of the United States of America, I guess that would be "The Most Powerful Man in the World's Boss".
THAT WAS AWESOME
4tunaguy
Feb 15 2008, 05:43 AM
QUOTE(punch @ Feb 15 2008, 02:16 AM) [snapback]514568[/snapback]
QUOTE(tnt @ Feb 14 2008, 02:07 PM) [snapback]514304[/snapback]
Regardless of how humorous you think you are, George W Bush, as President of the United States, is the single most powerful man in the world. What's on you resume?
Well, let's see. As a Citizen of the United States of America, I guess that would be "The Most Powerful Man in the World's Boss".
Exactly correct, sir!
4tunaguy
Feb 15 2008, 05:45 AM
QUOTE(ANM @ Feb 14 2008, 07:56 PM) [snapback]514288[/snapback]
I read that Harry Truman gave away Esterbrook desk pens embossed "This pen was stolen from the Oval Office" Or White House, I don't remember which. I understand that Eisenhower and Kennedy also used Esterbooks marked The White House.
Harry, Ike, and JFK. A pretty good run of U.S. Presidents.
jonro
Feb 15 2008, 05:51 AM
Instead of a tax refund, I would be happy if the government sent me some presidential fountain pens.
Dr Ozzie
Feb 15 2008, 06:22 AM
I second that motion. I will gladly give up my mere 300 to 600 dollar reund for lets say 3 to six presidential pens in a case with a certificate of authenticity for Ebay........I mean...my private collection. Yeah sure
tnt
Feb 15 2008, 06:49 AM
As an American citizen, you hired him to do the job, whether you personally voted for him or not. But as his boss I have to congratulate you on the job your employee is doing. Keep up the good work!
Johnny Appleseed
Feb 15 2008, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(Kimo @ Feb 14 2008, 10:56 AM) [snapback]514234[/snapback]
Presidents don't use fountain pens for signing laws these days - they use regular pens that have broad tipped, permanent ink, fiber-tip or similar points (like sharpies or similar). The reason is their signature has to be able to last "forever" and not fade and it has to be boldly written.
Then he should not only be using an American pen, but American ink: Noodler's.
I believe that Nathan actully did send GWB a special bottle of Noodlers Iraqi Indigo.
John
Johnny Appleseed
Feb 15 2008, 08:12 PM
QUOTE(tnt @ Feb 14 2008, 10:49 PM) [snapback]514746[/snapback]
As an American citizen, you hired him to do the job, whether you personally voted for him or not. But as his boss I have to congratulate you on the job your employee is doing. Keep up the good work!
Well, I was on the hiring committee, but my views were overruled.
John
wspohn
Feb 15 2008, 08:49 PM
On an international board, saying 'the president' doesn't really narrow it down. I assume that you meant the American one?
CraigR
Feb 15 2008, 09:04 PM
As near as I can tell, the following is one of the better sources on information on presidential use of pens. Not sure of more current information.
http://www.loringpage.com/attpensetc/penbookupdate.htmlPresidential Pen Use
punch
Feb 15 2008, 09:15 PM
QUOTE(tnt @ Feb 15 2008, 12:49 AM) [snapback]514746[/snapback]
As an American citizen, you hired him to do the job, whether you personally voted for him or not. But as his boss I have to congratulate you on the job your employee is doing. Keep up the good work!
Well, I tried to fire him a couple of years ago, but as a Union Steward, I am more than aware that the boss sometimes gets overruled. Fortunately, I was able to fire a bunch of his croneys. Problem is, I'm not a lot happier with the new batch I hired. It is really hard finding good employees these days! They have a nasty habit of not telling the truth on their resume, and being pathological liers, they interview quite well. It makes it really difficult to know what you are getting sometimes, and the two to six year contract (depending on the job classification) can be hard to get out of.
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