Hi,
sorry for my english ...
i am italian boy and i search the price about asterope and etiopia models.
There is different between italy and rest of the world?
thank you for help me.
Cheers.
Orefra

the etiopia is a very rare pen....extremely hard to find ....i have heard that one was sold for over 4000 euros two-three years ago

I have no idea regarding the asterope.

The Etiopiai is a very rare pen from 1935. Here's an article.

I also don't know about the Asterope except that it dates from 1934.

I don't know really. The Etiopia is rare especially in its "non white" colors but 4.000€ seems to me it's really too much. I know the Asterope is even more sought after from the collectors. It's a complicated pen, a precursor of the Pilot VP, being (I think the first) a retractible nib fountain pen. But because its complicated mechanism and its being "futuristic", it lasted few years on the market. Furthermore, it was easy to break... then it's really difficoult to find a new Asterope.

I think the only one that can help on this may be FPN member Labeo. You may want to check his website too:

http://www.italianfountainpenacademy.it/

As far as price comparaison between countries is concerned, I think that whit ebay and the likes, the prices are more or less the same around the globe for such collector's items. But - of course - sumgai is around the corner!!!

Btw, welcom to FPN, you'll enjoy here!

Cheers

As a retractable pen, the Asterope was preceded and likely inspired by the Pullman made by Meteore. The Pullman is a mysterious pen in that Meteore is French but some Pullmans have English imprints.

Etiopia ad from 1936.

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thks everybody for informations,
i ask you only the price about asterope indicatively , please
Cheers

thank you diplomat
i have sent a message to labeo ....

As usual great info, I didn't know about the Pullman. Do you have pics possibly?

And as for the Etiopia ads: the slogans are really laughable...
btw: interesting the part showing the filling system: Etiopia was the only pen I know that was marketed with this "ink globule" thing. I wonder how did work.

Thanks,

Météore starts in 1916, although originally under a different name. The name "Météore" itself seems to originate as a brand name like "Montblanc" which by its standout success, achieving high name recognition, becomes a company imprint. A French collector can perhaps defog this question.

The Pullman precedes the Asterope by about a year or so, introduced in 1932. Retracting nibs had existed as far back as the turn of the (previous) century with Moore. What was different about these pens was that they weren't safeties.

In terms of comparative scarcity, I've seen maybe one Asterope, a black model, come up for public sale in the last decade. From what I understand, these tend to trade back channel in Italy. In contrast, there've been maybe 5 Pullmans in good shape with a few parts pens showing up in the same period.

The overlay below was sold by Ariel Kullock. The other one is a random pic from who knows where.

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Thanks Jeff.

I would say that the carachteristic of those pens compared to safeties is that they miss the cap.
Interesting to note that the two patent for the Asterope date back to the 1925 (cit. in Letizia Jacopini), proving how difficult was for Isaia Levi to come up with a reliable pen after the idea of it.

One model in 10 years may mean a lot of money... bad news orefra! did you come to some conclusion with your quest? Or maybe do you have one to sell?

I know, more or less, the story about etiopia and asterope but i don't know the price today.
I want to buy them ... behind there is a long story.
Thank you.
Cheers.

Good luck with that. My guess is that they are only very rarely sold and the price is pretty much what the asker seeks to get.

Good luck with that. My guess is that they are only very rarely sold and the price is pretty much what the asker seeks to get.
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In this situation the pens are propose to me, i hope he don't ask me much money
but in italy are very important pens, i know

Hey! Now we want to hear the story! we are a curious community!

Hey! Now we want to hear the story! we are a curious community!
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Just to add that I found a link with nice pics of the Etiopia in different colours:

http://www.pincio.net/pennedoc/penne_doc__...ina__aurora.htm

It's a fascinating pen.
Best,

This was a nice thread, picked up a lot of new information.

Hi orefra,
I'm glad you found a lot of information about that rare pens. FPN is always the best place to look for something about pens.
Regards,

Following a link posted by a member I found a pdf paper (from the "Antiques Gazette"... translation by me) where it is said that an Etiopia is valued 3.000€ And they add that prices for such pens are stables over the years.
Wow! And I though that a MB Hemingway was a good investment!

Here's the link, it's in Italian. Sorry.

http://www.caprafico.com/it/roma2007-120

Cheers,

Hello to all,

sorry but the two colored etipia on this website are absolutely false, fake, unoriginal.
Only the white area correct etiopia.

Sorry if I broke your dream... but if you want see a real white etipoia:

http://www.italianfountainpenacademy.it/

or directed link: http://www.italianfountainpenacademy.it/vintage/etiopia.htm

and for a real article about the real white etiopia and the real green etiopia read the article write by the italian fountain pen academy.

direct link to: http://www.italianfountainpenacademy.it/ar...a-verde-usa.htm

Riccardo

If someone is interested, there is an Etiopia on selling HERE, starting at €700; there was an auction on EBAY of the same pen, retired because, I think, the start price was wrong (€200).
no affiliation with the seller, only googling

Riccardo, how comes I cannot see any of the pictures in that page? The other pages in your website are ok, but I'm receiving a red "x" for any pic in the Etiopia page...



That's interesting... do you think the guy of the website knows it? Or you just discovered he tossed away some thousand €? From what particular you can tell it?



Amazing... completely broke pen and asking 700€! It's a pen that should have a value...
Btw that italian offerings website is weird.

Cheers,

I know those pens, and is visible far thousand miles that are two fakes.
I also add that there are thousand small details that show the falsehood of these pens.

Sincerely is not interesting if the person that have this two pens know is are fake or original.

the broken white etiopia cannot cost more than $200.00 over it is as to suffer a robbery.

Problem with the ifpa web site? now work very well. if not I can send to you the pics.

Best

Riccardo