I would like to know everything about dating a sheaffer?? Could some post info/links to the best places to learn how to date sheaffers, how to identify models ect. Thanks

PenHero.com is probably your best resource for Sheaffer history. Also richardspens.com has a couple of nice articles.

If you are really into Sheaffers you should get the PCA (are you a member? www.pencollectors.com) catalogue reprints.

Roger W.

The two best written sources I know are:
Ed Carters Sheaffer's pens indentification system and Ed Pasahow's Sheaffer pen encyclopedia and data book. I don't think those books are still available. Maybe you can find a second hand copy on the web.

PVH

These are the two worst books on the subject! The encyclipedia is a rip off of other peoples work - that is why it can't be found in the USA at all.

Carters book is the most confused "system" ever devised. He was apperently completely ignorant that Sheaffer had catalogues of their products. If you had nothing this zooalogical approach still is confused and very incomplete for as "complete" as it tries to be. The snorkel section is horrible - look at Binders site intead. He also puts an inordinant amount of weight to the size of the white dot. At the end of the day there is no dating of anything! An "identified" pen falls into one of 10 "categories" some help this is. To add to all the strangeness is that Harry Bouras wrote the intro and I know he owned Sheaffer catalogues. Wonders never cease with this one folks.

Roger W.