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wspohn
The Waterman Boucheron is a flashy pen that sold for $2500 new. They rarely come up on Ebay despite the fact that a reasonable number were made - 3741. I know that isn't much compared to you MB guys with 16000 'limited' editions, but .....

I like these pens and am lucky to own one. I don't see this one ending well for the seller given the BIN figure he has set of more than twice original cost at $5790, but who knows.

If you want to have fun watching the auction see BOUCHERON ON EBAY

I'm afraid I still fail to see the allure of this sort of collector, though. He states that the pen has never been inked or dipped. That's like buying a new car and never turning the key!

goodguy
This looks to me as if its only an upgraded Edson.Pay double for this original price is creazy.
I cant wait to see how much will the winning price be.
wspohn
QUOTE(goodguy @ Nov 3 2007, 08:10 AM) [snapback]409121[/snapback]
This looks to me as if its only an upgraded Edson.Pay double for this original price is creazy.
I cant wait to see how much will the winning price be.



You say that like it is a negative thing, yet most limited edition pens are based on existing models. It is only with the most recent models that Classic Pens, for instance, have commissioned their own pen to use as a basis for future limited editions.

I think that the joint project bewteen Waterman and the Paris jeweller Boucheron was very well conceived and the result when held in the hand is remarkable. I just don't think that this pen will get as much as he thinks it will - I have seen them go for $3000, so it is one of the few (other than the inexplicable - to me - MB LEs) that actually do increase in value. It would be well worthwhile at anything under the original sale price, but my bet is that the reserve will exceed that if the guy is thinking double for a BIN.

I think it is a bit sad, too me, anyway, that the guy obviously treats this as something other than a pen. He doesn't even list the nib size, unless I missed it. Now there's a thought. Maybe you should message him and ask him the nib size and when he tells you say you'd have been ready to pay the BIN price if only it had been the nib you wanted.... roflmho.gif
RLTodd
QUOTE(goodguy @ Nov 3 2007, 08:10 AM) [snapback]409121[/snapback]
This looks to me as if its only an upgraded Edson.Pay double for this original price is creazy.
I cant wait to see how much will the winning price be.


To me it looks like a mass produced plate and paint job. I would be more impressed if Newall Rubbermaid would try a little harder to come up with unique "LE" editions. Honestly, this reminds me of a Franklin "collectable."
Hoarder68
This pen is one I would like to have. It is way high, as one was sold on E-bay recently for $1850.00. I would bet that you never see what it sells for, as the reserve is probably $400.00 or more.
wspohn
QUOTE(RLTodd @ Nov 3 2007, 09:06 AM) [snapback]409176[/snapback]
To me it looks like a mass produced plate and paint job. I would be more impressed if Newall Rubbermaid would try a little harder to come up with unique "LE" editions. Honestly, this reminds me of a Franklin "collectable."



No, like I said, you need to see it. This guys pictures are pretty pathetic. Here are some better ones.




No paint is involved - the insets in the clip and cap are enamelled and the applied decoration is GP hand crafted metal.

I think that this sort of design will not appeal to everyone - it always reminds me of Ming the Merciless, but I assure you it presents better in the hand than on the monitor.
staggerlee
QUOTE(wspohn @ Nov 3 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]409129[/snapback]
QUOTE(goodguy @ Nov 3 2007, 08:10 AM) [snapback]409121[/snapback]
This looks to me as if its only an upgraded Edson.Pay double for this original price is creazy.
I cant wait to see how much will the winning price be.



You say that like it is a negative thing, yet most limited edition pens are based on existing models. It is only with the most recent models that Classic Pens, for instance, have commissioned their own pen to use as a basis for future limited editions.

I think that the joint project bewteen Waterman and the Paris jeweller Boucheron was very well conceived and the result when held in the hand is remarkable. I just don't think that this pen will get as much as he thinks it will - I have seen them go for $3000, so it is one of the few (other than the inexplicable - to me - MB LEs) that actually do increase in value. It would be well worthwhile at anything under the original sale price, but my bet is that the reserve will exceed that if the guy is thinking double for a BIN.

I think it is a bit sad, too me, anyway, that the guy obviously treats this as something other than a pen. He doesn't even list the nib size, unless I missed it. Now there's a thought. Maybe you should message him and ask him the nib size and when he tells you say you'd have been ready to pay the BIN price if only it had been the nib you wanted.... roflmho.gif

I am not a number
Err...

Welcome Staggerlee.
PigRatAndGoat
Ah, so thats the name of that pen! I have seen it around as someones avatar, but I could never quite tell what it was. Too bad the ebay link doesn't work anymore. Pretty pen...
Hoarder68
QUOTE(wspohn @ Nov 3 2007, 11:46 AM) [snapback]409215[/snapback]
QUOTE(RLTodd @ Nov 3 2007, 09:06 AM) [snapback]409176[/snapback]
To me it looks like a mass produced plate and paint job. I would be more impressed if Newall Rubbermaid would try a little harder to come up with unique "LE" editions. Honestly, this reminds me of a Franklin "collectable."



No, like I said, you need to see it. This guys pictures are pretty pathetic. Here are some better ones.




No paint is involved - the insets in the clip and cap are enamelled and the applied decoration is GP hand crafted metal.

I think that this sort of design will not appeal to everyone - it always reminds me of Ming the Merciless, but I assure you it presents better in the hand than on the monitor.

I think you will find that the decoration is 18K gold applied over the enameled barrel.
wspohn
QUOTE(Hoarder68 @ Mar 24 2008, 03:00 PM) [snapback]556212[/snapback]
I think you will find that the decoration is 18K gold applied over the enameled barrel.



No, it is not. It is exactly what I said it was. A fretwork of gold vermeiled sterling silver over the pen body, which is not lacquer but a hard plastic. The cap decorations are lozenges of enamel work set in the vermeil metal cap.

I have one sitting in front of me as I type....
Hoarder68
QUOTE(wspohn @ Mar 24 2008, 05:09 PM) [snapback]556221[/snapback]
QUOTE(Hoarder68 @ Mar 24 2008, 03:00 PM) [snapback]556212[/snapback]
I think you will find that the decoration is 18K gold applied over the enameled barrel.



No, it is not. It is exactly what I said it was. A fretwork of gold vermeiled sterling silver over the pen body, which is not lacquer but a hard plastic. The cap decorations are lozenges of enamel work set in the vermeil metal cap.

I have one sitting in front of me as I type....

Well, if you know that for sure I was mislead, as mine was advertised as 18k solid gold overlay by the famous jeweler Boucheron for Waterman.
wspohn
Damn, now you have me wondering - I'll have to dig out the box and literature I guess. I was really responding more to your use of the word 'enamel', as the barrel is identical to the Edson in sapphire blue and is translucent, not enameled.

It is quite possible that the fretwork is solid gold not vermeil.

I wanted a finer nib for mine, but Waterman wanted something like $750 just for the section...... crybaby.gif crybaby.gif
Clydesdave
This is my dream pen. I've never touched one, nor seen one in person, but it was in the first book I owned on fountain pens and grabbed me. A dream pen, but someday I'll own one, just you wait and see.
sexauerw
I just went to look at the auction only to find that eBay has pulled it. No reason given.
dumdummuoi
QUOTE(sexauerw @ Mar 25 2008, 12:21 AM) [snapback]556630[/snapback]
I just went to look at the auction only to find that eBay has pulled it. No reason given.


The original post was dated November 3, that would be why. This was an old post that got dug up when someone posted a reply.
penparadise
QUOTE(Hoarder68 @ Mar 24 2008, 11:14 PM) [snapback]556231[/snapback]
QUOTE(wspohn @ Mar 24 2008, 05:09 PM) [snapback]556221[/snapback]
QUOTE(Hoarder68 @ Mar 24 2008, 03:00 PM) [snapback]556212[/snapback]
I think you will find that the decoration is 18K gold applied over the enameled barrel.



No, it is not. It is exactly what I said it was. A fretwork of gold vermeiled sterling silver over the pen body, which is not lacquer but a hard plastic. The cap decorations are lozenges of enamel work set in the vermeil metal cap.

I have one sitting in front of me as I type....

Well, if you know that for sure I was mislead, as mine was advertised as 18k solid gold overlay by the famous jeweler Boucheron for Waterman.

So is mine – and it's written in the papers: 18k solid gold overlay, no Vermeil. Did they make different models for Europe and the US?

Qoute from "PENNA" (an Italian pen magazin):
1996 - Signé Boucheron, Waterman.
L.E. 3,741 pieces. List price 2,100 Euros / appr. 3,000 US$
Description: The Edson was introduced in 1993 in sapphire blue (3,000 pieces), followed by versions in green and ruby and the Edson L.E. 120th Anniversary of Waterman. This pen combines the technological innovation and modernity of the Edson with the skill of one of Paris's most celebrated jewelers, Boucheron.
This large, streamlined fountain pen (closed, it measures more than 15 centimeters/6 inches) is ultramarine blue, overlaid with finely tooled solid gold reminiscent of lines of handwriting. The brass cap, gold-plated with a matte finish, is fitted with a gold clip and set with blue enamel. The unusual ans special nib is 18-karat yellow gold and decorated with fine engraving work. No less than seven nib widths were made. The number of pieces made, 3,741, is the total of the years in which Waterman and Boucheron were founded - 1883 and 1858 respectively. The ABS plastic compensator makes this pen one of the most impervious to changes in air pressure. It takes a converter or cartridge.
Current value: approximately 2,300 Euros / 3,600 US$.


Axel

wspohn
QUOTE(penparadise @ Mar 25 2008, 10:55 AM) [snapback]557097[/snapback]
So is mine – and it's written in the papers: 18k solid gold overlay, no Vermeil. Did they make different models for Europe and the US?



Axel - thanks for saving me having to hunt for the boxes! No, it would be the same for everywhere, so all would be solid (I'd recalled incorrectly that they were vermeil). Looks like we have a subgroup of Boucheron fanciers. While you are here - anyone want to trade an M nib for an F or XF......
penparadise
QUOTE
. . . While you are here - anyone want to trade an M nib for an F or XF......

I have an OB nib and like to keep it wink.gif

Axel
JackDaniels
I used to work at a pen shop in college and always loved this pen. When I finally left after school - the owners gave me one of these. I am one of those guys who has never used the pen. Now I need to get some cash for an engagement ring. Is eBay the best place to sale one of these? Any clue what a fair price for this pen would be?
WatchGuy
I am glad i found this chat about Blue Boucheron waterman pen. I also have a Boucheron and i LOVE it. Just a great looking pen and how the gold looks like a web very cool. Also feels great in my hand. When the Boucheron came out here in Toronto It sold for $3,500,00 The box it come's in ways about 5 lbs but is nice.
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