Hi Folks,

I recently purchased two bottles of Noodlers Luxury Blue Ink and I really love the colour!

However, I know this ink tends to suffer with nib creep which tints the nib and I am seeing that for myself.

My question is this: Is the tinting like to be permanant or will it wash off (after continued use), most of my nibs tend to be 14k, 18k and 21k White or Yellow Gold?

Any answers would be greatfully received.

With kind regards
NIGEL

It washes well. It permanently stains paper and cellulose (cotton, etc). It can be washed out from any plastic and metal.

My experience is that is always washed/rubbed off depending on how long you used the ink. I have given up on all Noodler's ink, there are just too many negatives associated with all the special features ("bullet-proof"). I wish the Company would refine its formulas rather than just spewing out new colors...

Hi nick1

I have to admit this is the first time I have used Noodlers, but I have no problem at all with their BP Black

Regards
NIGEL

I can't imagine using any other permanent ink. Whether they call it eternal or bulletproof or permanent, I don't care. I don't get the nib creep in my pens with any of the Noodler permanent inks I am using. I store them upright. When you get into washable inks, then it comes down to your preferences.

Hi Nick1! On the contrary, Nathan at Noodler's puts lots of time into the formulas and testing the inks before they hit the marketplace, those new colors he dreams up take awhile to fine tune and make sure they're ok for your pens. I know the nib creep is annoying to some, but it doesn't harm anything and I figure it's a trade off for having a permanent ink that functions well in fountain pens. I don't know what the other negatives are you mention above, but if they've caused problems for you, then Noodler's would like to know about them .... unlike most of the other ink companies, if something goes wrong with a bottle of Noodler's, Nathan will analyze it and try to figure out what the problem is, you can't ask for much more!

Sam

Sam - My approach to growing a brand such as Noodler's would be to perfect a color & characteristic (permanency) before introducing new color combinations. The negatives I have experienced are broader than just the nib creep - feathering, slow dry time/never dries, difficult to get flowing (a variety of pen/paper combinations) and for a while thought it was just me until I starting seeing the same problems discussed here. Noodler's sounds like an MBA case study on a company that reinvented a product (believe me I couldn't buy enough for a while), but.............. we shall see how the story ends. For the mean time - Aurora Black - boring, but this formula is to me as good as it gets!

I do enjoy the waterproof quality of the ink. I could do without the nib creep but it is indeed a small trade-off as the nib is easily wiped clean.

As for feathering, it does depend mostly with the quality of the paper and the ink flow. I have noticed that some of my wettest nibs will feather on some paper no matter what ink I use.

As for Luxury Blue, it looks different on paper with different nibs!

It's creepy!!

I will not use it in any of my daily pens... but I keep a pen inked with it for the permanent jobs.

It won't stain? I don't wanna risk it!

I know we go over this periodically, but since I have few vintage pens - and the ones I do have are far from delicate - I have very few problems with any Noodler's inks. The only one I've set aside for awhile is the UK Socrates. Love the color, but it's been a hard starter for me. I'm convinced that it's just a matter of finding the right pen for it.

Just put Iraqi Indigo in my Dani Trio Hanryo and it's great! Nice and juicy and that lovely color. I haven't had this particular pen-ink combo before (usually I have Noodler's Black in the Hanryo) and I'm really enjoying it. (I chose a different color for the Hanryo because I already had three pens within reach filled with Noodler's Black - a Parker "51" M, an Estie desk set, and a Pilot Décimo (also a medium nib).)

I almost reached for the Luxury Blue, but wanted to save it for my blue Bexley Sheherazade that's almost out of its Noodler's Blue-Black.

I've had some great luck with both the black and Luxury blue, but weird results with Fox Red. In my limited experience, Noodlers seems like a very "different" ink. Problems seem to show up that depend on the ink/pen combo, some inks worse than others. I'd be curious to know what kind of pens are used in the testing of the formulae.

What happens if you mix Luxury Blue with a traditional blue ink such as Waterman's Florida Blue or Sheaffer Skrip Blue? Will it still creep? Will it still be waterproof? Will it dry slowly or fast? Any danger of a chemical reaction?

In another thread, somebody posted that they added Noodlers Black to Waterman Black and came up with "the best of both worlds." I'm wondering if the same would hold true in the realm of blue inks.

I would also be curious to see how company tests their formulas. I think the company should brand their ink as 'different' so customers understand the various side effects associated with their formulas when they purchase (they are awfully clever with labels – they should figure out a disclaimer/discussion on the back of the bottle). Fundamentally, buying ink should be pretty simple - a customer assumes unless told otherwise that it will work similar to other brands in a broad range of circumstances. Rather, people come this discussion board every other day asking - what's up with this ink?

You get a more vibrant color, still creeps (a bit less maybe), and retains the waterproofness of the luxury blue:

http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...=5242&st=60

Not in my experience -- and Noodler's bulletproof or bulletproof mixes are what I use 90% of the time, and have done for 3+ years. Anyway, is there any dye that could possibly stain a gold or gold-plated nib? Steel nibs might "stain", or develop a patina, but some might say that this adds character to a steel nib.

Your gold nibs should not stain, certainly not the high k ones anyway, and the lower k ones should not either.

As nick mentioned Aorora black is probably the best black out there-period, and Aurora Blue is nice too, so is Visconti, and I know of no problems with either.

Noodler's has said from day one it will try to form inks for each preference and taste - both in colors and properties...

To make a perfect ink? The people who want feathering to stop on newsprint and moleskien paper will be angry if one pleases the people who desire instant dry times. We tried to please both with certain inks that resist feathering (such as our regular black) and those that dry so fast that on certain grades of paper it is not possible to smear them unless you were to pour out the whole bottle (the Swisher Pens Inks). When many pen users asked for a greater range of colors that were pH neutral, waterproof and UV light proof, and would above all show constant colors reflecting even the worst office cubicle lighting - we provided them (alas, chemistry did not halt one issue that some people hate, some don't care about...and others find unique: the capillary action across certain metal alloys, particularly platinum group metals). The one thing I have learned is that no matter how many 20 hour days one clocks in....regardless of the effort one puts into pleasing those who are worried about UV light, rain, fraud, feathering, dry time, or brightness and contrast, pH neutrality, complete avoidance of any animal derived products within the inks, ....dye content, dye type...and properties......well....at the end of the day there will always be a tomato tossed at me by somebody...somewhere, at least once a week.

Online especially, I believe every individual who cares about what they do and how pleased their fellow pen users may or may not be about their product....should be a person with a very thick hide.

As nick mentioned Aorora black is probably the best black out there-period, and Aurora Blue is nice too, so is Visconti, and I know of no problems with either.
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Put all of the above in regular everyday sunlight for a few days. Spray with carpet cleaner or bleach. Simply permit a few drops of rain to touch the page.

Is that the "best"?

Eternally Noodling - I assume you are the founder of Noodlers Ink, and I must admit I appreciate your company and have purchased a significant amount of your product. My only point is that there were so many products being introduced it would have been helpful to know that ink XYZ was being produced for this type of customer and has these types of characteristics when I considered purchasing. Otherwise a customer such as me starts buying all these different inks and wondering why they are behaving different than what I am accustomed to. Point in case, how would I know that the Swisher's version of Black is quicker drying version of the regular Black. Would it be possible to create a Noodlers Black that performed like Aurora's Black? If not, as a customer I would understand with a little background on the chemistry that is required to create Noodlers. Look forward to purchasing again in the future....

When labels are upgraded, we try to put more info on them. However, a lot depended upon the retailer - especially if the ink they stock is unique and specific to them (all Swisher Pens Inks are quick dry/rapid dry inks, all SwishMix inks are 75% bulletproof and exhibit faster dry times - but not as fast as Swisher Pens Ink - a little confusing for some...and it is hoped the retailer can assist with such info - they will call us direct if they can't answer your question right away )...so they would post the info on their sites and explain it at shows, some even with the receipt. Some retailers do a fantastic job of explaining the inks and their properties...though others - well...I've seen Golden Brown listed as 100% bulletproof, but it is not...and was never claimed to be by the company - it is PARTIALLY bulletproof, perhaps 8% to 15%...but much of that ink will wash away with bleach. It is made mostly for people who desire it for classic shading properties - it even says "1870's shading in a modern ink" on the label for that reason...but is NOT labeled "bulletproof" or "eternal". Some problems were encountered when companies requesting unique inks also asked that we not disclose that we were the manufacturer of the ink - and as the inks were not always labeled in English - and even had different glass bottles...well, it can get complicated.

We are working on insert sheets, however...a sheet of data with more details about the ink attached within each box. The first will be eyedropper instructions (as there have been a few people who do not know how to fill an eyedropper pen - it will be easier with an instruction sheet right there in the box soon...).

Having just started using Noodlers, I really like your inks, your Luxury Blue is a wonderful colour and I love it, my only concern was would the nib creep stain my nib permenantly, which it wont from the answers given here.

I like inks that are fast drying and bulletproof as I write a lot of cheques, sign bills etc etc and that dont feather on any paper (maybe I ask too much) LOL

I look forward to trying other Noodlers inks soon.

Kind regards
NIGEL

I have a bottle ( minus two converter fills) to trade if anyone is interested. I hate it.

Looking for Visconti Blue.

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