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Jeremy.Johnson
Does anyone know of a store in Northwest PA or Western New York that would actually have Vanishing Points in Stock to go see, hold, play with? I am leaning really heavily to purchasing one of these, but I keep on reading "if you can stand the clip location" in everyone's posts. So, I would like to track one down and play with it.

Thanks in advance.

Jeremy
Samovar
Jeremy,
Take any pen with a clip, anything from a BIC to a 176 000$ MB, leave the cap on it and pretend you are writing with it, holding the cap between your finger with the clip facing upward. If you don't mind this, you won't mind the Vanishing Point.

It's all a question of position. I don't mind the two pins on my Lamy 2000 and I knows it drives some people mad.

If you feel OK with this test, you can order the pen online.

Samovar
jd50ae
I have never considered the clip on my VP to be a problem in any way and I am surprised to hear that someone does. If anything the clip is a benefit because it makes for a much steadier and consistent grip. I had not even thought about it until I read this thread.
Ged
Thanks for the info Samovar, I've been wondering about this too, as I contemplate a plunge into a hundred dollar (or more) pen.
paircon01
QUOTE (jd50ae @ Mar 25 2007, 07:09 AM)
I have never considered the clip on my VP to be a problem in any way and I am surprised to hear that someone does. If anything the clip is a benefit because it is a makes for a much steadier and consistent grip. I had not even thought about it until I read this thread.

I echo this sentiment...assuming we are talking about the older, slimmer style. The new style looks...er...fatter in cross section and might be problematic if one wants the smaller profile. Having experience with the old style, there is much comfort. Have no experience with the new...

Bill
Mike S.
I have seen these at Paradise Pen locations in various cities. Is there a Paradise Pen store in your area?

Here's one in Pennsylvania (I don't have any clue whether that's near you or not):

PENNSYLVANIA
The Court at King of Prussia
315 Mall Blvd, Space J-9
King of Prussia, PA 19406
Phone: (610) 491-9262
Fax: (610) 491-9264

Otherwise, talk to Pam at www.oscarbraunpens.com and tell her that you'd like to try before you buy and see what she says. If you just try the grip of the pen without filling it and realize that you can't stand it, you can probably send it back to her and get something else instead. Ask her about her return policy if you've filled the pen.
pakmanpony
I have my VP in use today. I don't mind the clip position, if fact the fat polished metal end of the pen would be too slick/fat/curved? to hold in one place if it were not for the clip to help keep the nib centered and give you a place to grip the pen between your thumb and fore finger.

I love mine and it is a great discussion starter. When someone notices you click the end of your pen like a ball point and then write with a fountain pen there are always questions.

Jeremy.Johnson
Thanks for the information. I just emailed Pam, as the Pen's Paradise stores are 6 hours in either direction and I frankly don't have the time to drive and look at them. So who knows, maybe I will be adding a VP to the stable. This is a horrific addiction. I hope you all know this.

sad.gif I think I need to schedule a visit with the school shrink to discuss this.

Jeremy
Titivillus
QUOTE
I have never considered the clip on my VP to be a problem in any way and I am surprised to hear that someone does.


Well back about 6 years when I bought my first VP I asked about the pen and was told that the clip might be a deal killer.


QUOTE
If anything the clip is a benefit because it is a makes for a much steadier and consistent grip. I had not even thought about it until I read this thread.


It does depend on how you grip a pen whether it would be an issue or not. I have tried the old style and new style of the VP and can not say it is comfortable to me.
My issue with the pen's clip is that it is right in the middle of where I grip it so my finger grasps the sides of the clip and I have the side edge of the clip itself in my finger. So if your grip on the pen doesn't get that then maybe it isn't an issue.


Kurt


meanwhile
Why not buy a pen off ebay and then re-sell if you don't like it? It shouldn't make a big difference to the price.
tarheeljim
I just bought an ice blue VP direct from a dealer, and I will tell you, it is my current 'go to' pen. Came with a M nib, which seems more like an F to me. It is a slick, smooth writer, I tell ya. The clip doesn't bother me at all; took about two lines to get used to its placement.

I love mine. And the nibs can be changed out to others pretty cheaply. I would highly recommend it.

tarheeljim
Momomar
A bright red VP was one of my first serious pen purchases. I didn't know enough about FP in general to have any objection to the clip location - but what I did know was this - the absence of a cap to loose was a plus; the absence of a cap to take on and off when I use the pen and otherwise have my hands full is a bigger plus; the heft of the pen lets you know if it's in your pocket or not, another real plus if you use it in an office setting, and the fact that it writes first time, every time, with no skips whatsoever is the icing on the cake. It has a lovely integrety of parts - a beautiful design and fine construction.

I keep a dozen pens at the office and more at home, but my VP is my one purse pen. And, the clip location has not been a problem.

If you bought one and decided it wasn't the pen for you, I don't think you'd have any problems finding a new home for it on FPN smile.gif
mmoncur
Adding to the chorus, i was worried about the clip location but ended up loving it.

I always have trouble with hooded nibs as I have to look up close to see if the tip is aligned with the paper - with the VP, I can pick it up one-handed without looking, click it, and start writing - the clip guides my fingers to hold the pen in exactly the right position.

I have used my VP so much since buying it a few months ago that the other pens are jealous...
BAREBODKIN
QUOTE (mmoncur @ Mar 28 2007, 01:56 PM)
Adding to the chorus, i was worried about the clip location but ended up loving it.

I always have trouble with hooded nibs as I have to look up close to see if the tip is aligned with the paper - with the VP, I can pick it up one-handed without looking, click it, and start writing - the clip guides my fingers to hold the pen in exactly the right position.

I have used my VP so much since buying it a few months ago that the other pens are jealous...

I'm thinking of buying a Pilot VP too. Is it a big, small or medium pen? I like Pelikan M800 size best - About 6.5 inches posted (or about 16.5 cms or 165 mm).

I will probably risk it and buy without trying. Is that mad?

Barebod
mmoncur
I'd say the VP is about medium sized - 5 1/2" long. The length is slightly longer than a Parker "51" if that helps. About 2/3" longer than a Pelikan M200.

I usually like larger pens, but the VP feels great - the part you grip is on the fat side, so it doesn't feel small.
Titivillus
QUOTE (BAREBODKIN @ Mar 29 2007, 07:40 AM)
QUOTE (mmoncur @ Mar 28 2007, 01:56 PM)
Adding to the chorus, i was worried about the clip location but ended up loving it.

I always have trouble with hooded nibs as I have to look up close to see if the tip is aligned with the paper - with the VP, I can pick it up one-handed without looking, click it, and start writing - the clip guides my fingers to hold the pen in exactly the right position.

I have used my VP so much since buying it a few months ago that the other pens are jealous...

I'm thinking of buying a Pilot VP too. Is it a big, small or medium pen? I like Pelikan M800 size best - About 6.5 inches posted (or about 16.5 cms or 165 mm).

I will probably risk it and buy without trying. Is that mad?

Barebod

To me it would be but others say it isn't.

Just make sure there is a return policy so all you will be out is possibly the shipping.


Kurt
playpen
I currently have 2 VPs and love them both. Wouldn't it be great if you could meet another FPN person and try the pen out in person if you can't get to a store and see it? We ought to have way stations for people to meet and try out each other's pens! tongue.gif
Freeloader
QUOTE (BAREBODKIN @ Mar 29 2007, 12:40 PM)
I'm thinking of buying a Pilot VP too. Is it a big, small or medium pen? I like Pelikan M800 size best - About 6.5 inches posted (or about 16.5 cms or 165 mm).

I will probably risk it and buy without trying. Is that mad?

I wouldn't say it's "mad." I bought a VP cold without trying the clip placement. However, do realize that you may not like the pen because of a well-known and obvious design feature. If you are comfortable with that risk, buy away.
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