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DennisU
This is my first attempt to contribute to this terrific network. Thanks to everyone for providing so much valuable information and advice. I’ve been absorbing a ton.

I always preferred Waterman Florida Blue, until I learned here about PR DC SuperShow Blue. I really like both now. But then I learned about waterproof, “bulletproof” inks, and I decided I needed a nice waterproof blue that is close to Waterman Florida Blue and/or PR DC SuperShow Blue. As many have noted, Luxury Blue dries to a sort of dull blue. I have noticed some nice blue recipes here and wanted something waterproof with a deeper blue color.

I decided to focus on combining Noodler’s Luxury Blue with PR DCSSB and PR Tanzanite (which I also like). I came up with the following:

50% Noodler’s Luxury Blue + 25% PR DCSS Blue + 25% PR Tanzanite

I call this mix ”Super Lux” Blue (in recognition of the two blues used.) Super Lux Blue is waterproof and dries to a deep, rich blue with a tinge of purple that is very subtle. This is now my all purpose, everyday ink.

The scan shows some dip tests made with a Waterman Exception medium nib. There are also some cotton tip swabs to better illustrate the color differences. (I am still learning about scanners and ink photos.)

I hope you’ll consider trying this recipe. Good luck!

(Note: I also tried to use Polar Blue, but I didn’t care for the results nearly as much as with Luxury Blue.)

DennisU
MicheleB
WHOA! Did you make a waterprroof DC Supershow Blue replica???? That is my favorite ink and your scan sure looks like a match to me. Is it true? Even if not, it looks like a great color. I just need some Luxury Blue which was on my list anyway.
DennisU
Thanks MicheleB. It's not exactly DC SuperShow Blue, but it's as close as I could find. While Luxury Blue is more expensive, I think that mixing it this way doubles the volume and retains a good waterproof character. In my tests, it fades a little in water, but remains very prominent and legible.
Lloyd
That looks really nice! If you only want water resistance and not bullet-proof, you might substitute Namiki blue for the Lux blue. It's water-proof and nicer looking (IMHO) than Lux blue.
DennisU
Thanks Lloyd. I will definitely give Namiki blue a try!

It is my impression that Luxury Blue is an excellent "mixing" ink in that it takes on the "personality" of the other inks you mix with it.

I am including the water test results here. I immersed my sample page in fairly hot/warm water (about 100 degrees) for 5 minutes. Of course, what is left is the luxury blue color.
RonB
Very nice! I wonder if you used 1/3 of each if it would look more like a waterproof Waterman Florida Blue?

Ron
DennisU
Thanks Ron.

I think fjf got much closer to an approach for a Waterman Florida Blue in his recipe:

Here

I think I would try Florida Blue combined with Luxury Blue without the South Seas Blue.

His recipe was a major inspiration for me.

If I were to lower the Luxury Blue to 33%, my guess is that it would be a darker, more intense blue, but with less "staying power" when exposed to water. Don't know for sure, but I'll play around with it the next time I pull out my PR ink mixing kit.
RonB
I've used one third of each of the following Noodlers inks for a waterproof ink similar to Waterman's Florida Blue:

Swishers/Noodlers Glacier Blue
Noodlers Blue
Noodlers La Couleur Royale.

It's pretty close, but I like your mix as well.

Ron
DennisU
Ron:

I see. I'll give your portions a try. Thanks again!

Dennis
southpaw
Great mix, Dennis! Thanks for sharing the fruits of your labor.

It would be interesting to see another WP blue used in place of Lux blue, given how pricey it is, to make the mix less costly to make. Great stuff, though!

Gotta ask, how quick does it dry? For me as a lefty, I've been warned to stay away from DC SSB as it dries rather slowly.

DennisU
Thanks Southpaw. You raise two good points.

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It would be interesting to see another WP blue used in place of Lux blue, given how pricey it is, to make the mix less costly to make. Great stuff, though!


In terms of trying other waterproof blues, I tried very hard to make Noodler's Polar Blue work. But unfortunately, the dark gray/black tinge of Polar Blue just didn't appeal to me. Lloyd suggested Namiki Blue, which is fairly waterproof. I will try it, but my guess is that the Namiki Blue, being so much lighter than DC SuperShow Blue, won't give the deep, rich color that was my main objective. I'll try it though. RonB used Glacier Blue and says he got close to Waterman Florida Blue. I want to try that one too, but I don't have Glacier Blue (yet).

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Gotta ask, how quick does it dry? For me as a lefty, I've been warned to stay away from DC SSB as it dries rather slowly.


On the speed of drying, I must admit that I've never thought about that. I improvised a simple test just now. I wrote a fine squiggle line across the page then immediately smeared it with my finger. I compared this mix to DC SuperShow, Noodler's Black, and Waterman Florida Blue (all of which I just happen to have in pens.) Based on this test (which may or may not be meaningful), it dries faster than DCSSB and Noodler's Black, but slower than WFB.

Hope this helps! Thanks for your thoughts.
HyperCamper
Great mix! I happen to have bottles of all three inks and I'll give it a go this weekend... happy.gif
Melnicki
QUOTE (DennisU @ Feb 18 2007, 01:48 PM)
It is my impression that Luxury Blue is an excellent "mixing" ink in that it takes on the "personality" of the other inks you mix with it.

As many of the Noodler's Bulletproof inks are quite pale (except the near-bulletproof ones which contain Black in them!), I have found them extremely fun to tint, as you have done here. Lexington Grey is an obvious one that is easy to tint, but I've had successes with Eternal Brown lately. Glacier Blue is fun to tint too. I use it to "unpurple" La Coleur Royale.
DennisU
QUOTE (Melnicki @ Feb 19 2007, 10:15 PM)
QUOTE (DennisU @ Feb 18 2007, 01:48 PM)
It is my impression that Luxury Blue is an excellent "mixing" ink in that it takes on the "personality" of the other inks you mix with it.

As many of the Noodler's Bulletproof inks are quite pale (except the near-bulletproof ones which contain Black in them!), I have found them extremely fun to tint, as you have done here. Lexington Grey is an obvious one that is easy to tint, but I've had successes with Eternal Brown lately. Glacier Blue is fun to tint too. I use it to "unpurple" La Coleur Royale.

Thanks for the comment Melnicki! That is great information. Now I'm going to have to get some Lexington Grey and Glacier Blue. I'm really curious about your "unpurpling" concept. I'm going to try it just to see for myself!!! (It's not at all clear to me what an "unpurpled" LCR is supposed to be!?!)
fjf
If you want a cheaper permanent grey to play with, just dilute noodlers black (10%) in water.
DennisU
QUOTE (fjf @ Feb 28 2007, 04:06 PM)
If you want a cheaper permanent grey to play with, just dilute noodlers black (10%) in water.

Hi fjf!

(I assume your tongue was firmly against your cheek on that one.)

Would I ever like to get hold of a true white fountain pen ink for mixing purposes. Does anyone know of any?

I have a theory about why your Lux + Florida + South Seas works so well. It seems to me that the less intense Florida blue (compared to American or DCSSB) + Luxury blue mix allows the turquoise shading of the South Seas to really shine through. It's a great mix!

Dennis
DennisU
(sorry, got posted twice... don't know how to delete)
fjf
Yes, I also like it (and use it every day). The luxury blue is lifeless, but this allows for mixing with any other nicer blue and the resulting color is usually similar to it, brighter and usable. An ugly ink to use alone, but a great ink to mix!.

Regards.
MicheleB
Just made the mix and like it a lot. Good color and properties.
bossy
This is great stuff. I wondered why pendemonium's warns:
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Note: If you mix the bulletproof inks with regular ink,
they will lose their properties, and revert to regular ink!
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Yet, mixing clearly does work!?

DennisU
QUOTE (bossy @ Mar 18 2007, 04:36 PM)
This is great stuff. I wondered why pendemonium's warns:
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Note: If you mix the bulletproof inks with regular ink,
they will lose their properties, and revert to regular ink!
-------------------------------------------------------------

Yet, mixing clearly does work!?

Thanks.

You raise a good question... I've wondered about this myself.

My speculation would be that Nathan considers an ink bulletproof only if it is unaffected by water, UV, etc. With these mixes, it appears that the original bulletproof component stays put and the non-bulletproof components wash away.

That warning gives us the idea that the ink, when mixed, will loose all bulletproofness. That doesn't appear to be the case... at least for washability. (Edit: Presumably, if it doesn't wash away, that ink has reacted with the paper and shouldn't fade away for any reason. At least, that's my assumption.)

To me, the ink is fantastic for its stability. Mixing allows us to get the colors we like.
bossy
I would try it now, but only have one (1) ink. lol (PR-Amer.Blue)
(I'm very new to FP's) So, my next ink will be either Lux. Blue
or Legal Lapis (wonder if LL works too) and do a 50/50 mix with those.
The LL needs a 'blue boost' as well, it seems. Plus it's bulletproof.

DennisU
I like Legal Lapis a lot, but I wouldn't know what to expect in a mix.

Luxury Blue works great in mixes, but is a little expensive. Noodler Glacier Blue (Swisher exclusive) works basically the same as Luxury blue, but is less expensive.

Good luck!
stevo
QUOTE (DennisU @ Feb 18 2007, 04:18 AM) *
This is my first attempt to contribute to this terrific network. Thanks to everyone for providing so much valuable information and advice. I’ve been absorbing a ton.

I always preferred Waterman Florida Blue, until I learned here about PR DC SuperShow Blue. I really like both now. But then I learned about waterproof, “bulletproof” inks, and I decided I needed a nice waterproof blue that is close to Waterman Florida Blue and/or PR DC SuperShow Blue. As many have noted, Luxury Blue dries to a sort of dull blue. I have noticed some nice blue recipes here and wanted something waterproof with a deeper blue color.

I decided to focus on combining Noodler’s Luxury Blue with PR DCSSB and PR Tanzanite (which I also like). I came up with the following:

50% Noodler’s Luxury Blue + 25% PR DCSS Blue + 25% PR Tanzanite

I call this mix ”Super Lux” Blue (in recognition of the two blues used.) Super Lux Blue is waterproof and dries to a deep, rich blue with a tinge of purple that is very subtle. This is now my all purpose, everyday ink.

The scan shows some dip tests made with a Waterman Exception medium nib. There are also some cotton tip swabs to better illustrate the color differences. (I am still learning about scanners and ink photos.)

I hope you’ll consider trying this recipe. Good luck!

(Note: I also tried to use Polar Blue, but I didn’t care for the results nearly as much as with Luxury Blue.)

DennisU


Hi Dennis,

I like your mixture. I've been trying for something very similar and think you may have solved my problems. However, Lux blue is quite ill-behaved for me in that it bleeds through quite badly. Does this mixture improve it's behaviour?

Thanks
S
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