sheafferkid
Feb 15 2007, 01:39 AM
Hello everyone! I won off the bay a Sheaffer's vac-fill Crest (in brown striated pattern) and it just came in today. On the listing, it said there was a dent, but I could not tell from the picture how big it actually was. Well, as you can see from the picture it is a huge dent! Can any repair guys out there refurbish this pen and take out this nasty dent along with straightening the clip out? It really is a beautiful pen, just not from the outside...If anyone can do all of this, how much do you think it would cost me? Also, I wanted to take out the nib to clean it up and straighten it out, but when I tried to unscrew this nib out like I have seen other Triumph nibs do, it just kept turning and would not come out. How should I go about taking off the nib? Thank you very much!
Evan
sheafferkid
Feb 15 2007, 01:41 AM
Heres another with the cap off:
sheafferkid
Feb 15 2007, 01:42 AM
Sorry for the bad pics, but you should be able to tell how misaligned the clip is and how big the dent is. I really have to wonder how it got there...
Ron Z
Feb 15 2007, 02:01 AM
They're really tough to do because if the metal inner cap/liner. The only person who might be able to de-ding it is Daniel Kirchheimer. I think that he's worked out a way to pull the inner cap.
Richard
Feb 15 2007, 02:32 AM
| QUOTE (Ron Z @ Feb 14 2007, 09:01 PM) |
| The only person who might be able to de-ding it is Daniel Kirchheimer. I think that he's worked out a way to pull the inner cap. |
I don't think so. I've discussed it with him recently, and he had no solution.
sheafferkid
Feb 15 2007, 03:01 AM
So my pen wont be able to be fixed? Also, Ron, I was checking out your website ans you said you werent doing vac-fill repairs for the public yet. Have you started doing them yet? Thanks!
david i
Feb 15 2007, 03:46 PM
Rumor has it a couple well known repair mavens are on the cusp accepting Sheaffer plunger-filler Sheaffer and Wahl pens for restoration.
If they'd just start partying and get together for lunch already to hammer out the details, y'all might not hafta wait so long.
d
Richard
Feb 15 2007, 04:32 PM
| QUOTE (david i @ Feb 15 2007, 10:46 AM) |
| Rumor has it a couple well known repair mavens are on the cusp accepting Sheaffer plunger-filler Sheaffer and Wahl pens for restoration. |
"On the cusp"? When was the last time you looked at my
Repair & Restoration page?

PeteWK
Feb 15 2007, 04:50 PM
| QUOTE (sheafferkid @ Feb 15 2007, 01:39 AM) |
Hello everyone! I won off the bay a Sheaffer's vac-fill Crest (in brown striated pattern) and it just came in today. On the listing, it said there was a dent, but I could not tell from the picture how big it actually was. Well, as you can see from the picture it is a huge dent! Can any repair guys out there refurbish this pen and take out this nasty dent along with straightening the clip out? It really is a beautiful pen, just not from the outside...If anyone can do all of this, how much do you think it would cost me? Also, I wanted to take out the nib to clean it up and straighten it out, but when I tried to unscrew this nib out like I have seen other Triumph nibs do, it just kept turning and would not come out. How should I go about taking off the nib? Thank you very much!
Evan |
Hi Evan. Fred Krinke has removed some pretty serious dents from Crest Masterpiece pens for me in the past (three of them) and with great success. I'm not sure why some are saying that Daniel has "figured out" a way to remove the inner cap as Fred does it with frequency. The difference here is that the Masterpiece pens are 14k gold and yours is gold fill over brass. The gold caps have a natural tendency to be rather pliable. He inserts specially shaped wood dowels into the caps to slowly reshape them to their origional specs. Fred is 78 and has been repairing pens professionally since 1945 so I'm sure that's how its been done since the beginning of metal capped pens.
I'm going over there this morning so I'll take him a picture of your cap and see what he says. That is one big dent and in a gold fill cap so I don't know.
Regards,
Pete
ps - one other thing to consider is that the last pen he fixed cost me 45 dollars and I didn't have dents like that. You might want to come to terms with the fact that your pen probably isn't worth having the cap repaired.
PeteWK
Feb 15 2007, 04:54 PM
BTW, I give out negative feedback like hen's teeth (probably been two + years since I did) but I'd consider giving one in your case. You should weigh that against reprisal but still . . .
PeteWK
david i
Feb 15 2007, 09:29 PM
Per Richard...
| QUOTE |
| "On the cusp"? When was the last time you looked at my Repair & Restoration page? |
Oh, so you're a maven are ya???
david
david i
Feb 15 2007, 09:31 PM
Per Pete,
| QUOTE |
| I'm not sure why some are saying that Daniel has "figured out" a way to remove the inner cap as Fred does it with frequency. |
Some are saying Daniel has figured it out because they believe Daniel has... errrr... figured it out. No one, i believe, suggested that Daniel was the only person ever to have figured it out.
regards
david
Dillo
Feb 15 2007, 10:00 PM
Hi,
From my recollection, Daniel K. posted a picture of some tool supposedly made to remove the metal sleeve. I'd wait for him to chime it.
Dillon
sheafferkid
Feb 15 2007, 11:02 PM
Ok, well, wow! Thanks for all the feedback. I think Pete is probably right, this is one nasty dent and would be expensive to repair. Soo...anyone got a good looking extra vac-fill Crest cap I could buy? Also, I still want to know how to get the darned nib off!!
Evan
PeteWK
Feb 16 2007, 12:28 AM
| QUOTE (sheafferkid @ Feb 15 2007, 11:02 PM) |
Ok, well, wow! Thanks for all the feedback. I think Pete is probably right, this is one nasty dent and would be expensive to repair. Soo...anyone got a good looking extra vac-fill Crest cap I could buy? Also, I still want to know how to get the darned nib off!!
Evan |
I don't have that cap in gold fill but I did talk to Fred. He's not certain the cap can be restored to the place where one couldn't tell it was dented before. Plus the cost of it would probably be more than the thing is worth.
PeteWK
sheafferkid
Feb 16 2007, 12:34 AM
Thank you very much Pete. I'm really ticked about the pen now, but its all my fault...I broke the feed trying to get the nib off and before that I put the pen in hot water and now the plastic is discolored near the grip...now its just become a junky...it was a total waste of $20 now...
Evan
david i
Feb 16 2007, 02:05 AM
| QUOTE |
| Thank you very much Pete. I'm really ticked about the pen now, but its all my fault...I broke the feed trying to get the nib off and before that I put the pen in hot water and now the plastic is discolored near the grip...now its just become a junky...it was a total waste of $20 now... |
Evan, in truth, given how most of us have learned what we've learned about vintage pens, $20 lost on this venture is hardly wasted. Buying on ebay has risks. Those risks can be mitigated- to a point-by asking questions and to tracking feedback (both depth and breadth).
You still have a nib and some plunger parts, probably worth the $20 you spent. A restored clean pen like this, even with triumph nib (not the early style, which would be worth more), the retail on a pen like this probably is $100. You still have room to play hunting a raw pen in what passes for the wild.
Very often on webboards we hear how folks buy$50 items on ebay that might cost 2-3x that much retail. That is well and good. I do it myself whenever possible.
But, buying on ebay does have risks. It is key to read whether sellers take returns. Those who don't might lead to cheaper final prices, but at increased risk.
$20 spent to obtain parts worth nearly that much is a lesson cheaply learned. Folks who pay $300 for a Vacumatic Maxima on ebay expecting to beat the $500 retail price, who end up getting a $80 Major that has a cracked barrel? Now, there's a lesson.
Don't get me wrong. Lost money makes none of us happy. But, buying used vintage pens sight unseen from unguaranteed sources does open buyers to risk. If such purchases are pursued diligantly and if one learns what he can along the way, in the long term ebay offers some very real bargain. But there will be losses along the way. I know.
regards
david
PeteWK
Feb 16 2007, 02:12 AM
I completely agree with David. 20 bucks is worth what you've still got in parts, not to mention the experience you've purchased and learned. I only wish my experience in such things had only cost 20 dollars or that my education in such matters was over.
PeteWK
sheafferkid
Feb 16 2007, 02:16 AM
Well, thank you David and Pete. I'm glad this pen is worth what I paid for it, even though it wont be a user. But I'm still a tad dismayed about the whole ordeal because I dont have an income so it will take a while for me to earn the $20 back...I still want to know why the nib turns but wont come off. What tool is best for getting a nib like this off? I have a strap wrench, but it only turns the nib and wont get it off...Thanks!
david i
Feb 16 2007, 02:31 AM
Actually, i'm not so sure it is easy to monkey with a Triumph nib. I'd just toss the pen in the "parts" cigar box awaiting the day it is needed.
I hear you on earning back the money. Not trivializing your lost $20. Just pointing out that this hobby - whilst lower price point than many- still costs some bucks. I've lost hundreds (maybe thousands- gosh, hope not) making all the mistakes one can make buying pens. Today, i have a thriving pen website and buy/sell >$100k in pens each year. But, the lessons to get there were not cheap. Vintage pens offer many charms compared to modern pens. But, bargains are not always bargains.
I do recommend attending a pen show.
-david
sheafferkid
Feb 16 2007, 02:36 AM
Hey again David. Yes, I should attend a pen show. Unfortunately for me, I will be in New York City when the Atlanta pen show comes around, the only pen show that I would be able to attend. All the others are way too far away from Alabama. I guess the lesson that I have learned is..well, you live and learn.
(edited for grammar mistake)
kirchh
Feb 17 2007, 05:50 PM
| QUOTE (PeteWK @ Feb 15 2007, 12:50 PM) |
| I'm not sure why some are saying that Daniel has "figured out" a way to remove the inner cap as Fred does it with frequency. |
Would you ask Fred how he removes the inner cap from Crests like this? I think the information would be of general interest.
--Daniel
Snorkel
Feb 19 2007, 11:58 PM
| QUOTE (sheafferkid @ Feb 15 2007, 01:42 AM) |
| Sorry for the bad pics, but you should be able to tell how misaligned the clip is and how big the dent is. I really have to wonder how it got there... |
Looks to me to be a case of the ol' "drawer hammer slammer"...

As others have said, it's an uneconomic repair on this model - but you COULD use it as a lesson and give de-denting a go yourself. Start by making some small new dents on the other side of the cap first before you tackle the big dent if you like. Then get dowelling of various shapes, contours and materials and working from the inside, try and press out the dents starting from the edge of a dent and working your way in - just as car dent repairers do. (don't forget to remove any clutch first!). (I'm sure Danny and others will chip in if I'm miles off in terms of approach - but for our vintage metal business, it was simply a case of "learning by doing" as much of the knowledge and many of the skills had literally died away over past years...)
You won't bring the big dent back to pristine, but the exercise will give you valuable insights and a feel for the task

You 'have nix to loose as you still have the other parts which cover the $20 you paid...
kirchh
Feb 20 2007, 12:07 AM
| QUOTE (Snorkel @ Feb 19 2007, 07:58 PM) |
| (don't forget to remove any clutch first!). |
Well, that's the trick of it -- not so much remembering to remove the cap liner (no clutch in these), but actually removing it.
--Daniel
sheafferkid
Feb 20 2007, 12:24 AM
Yes...how would I go about removing the inner cap? I've heard of "inner cap pullers" but they seem to be very expensive.
PeteWK
Feb 20 2007, 02:03 PM
| QUOTE (kirchh @ Feb 17 2007, 05:50 PM) |
| QUOTE (PeteWK @ Feb 15 2007, 12:50 PM) | | I'm not sure why some are saying that Daniel has "figured out" a way to remove the inner cap as Fred does it with frequency. |
Would you ask Fred how he removes the inner cap from Crests like this? I think the information would be of general interest.
--Daniel
|
I'll do that. I've had him repair dents on three of my solid gold caps and once he had to destroy the inner cap sleeve to get it out (he had several more in his parts bin) and twice he removed it in good condition, so I'm certain it's not a method without some risk.
PeteWK
dcjacobson
Feb 20 2007, 02:18 PM
Hi, Daniel,
What makes the inner caps on the Sheaffer models harder to remove than the inner caps on, say, a Parker 51? Is it the adhesive Sheaffer used?
Thanks,
Don
kirchh
Feb 20 2007, 02:21 PM
| QUOTE (dcjacobson @ Feb 20 2007, 10:18 AM) |
| What makes the inner caps on the Sheaffer models harder to remove than the inner caps on, say, a Parker 51? Is it the adhesive Sheaffer used? |
It's everything -- adhesive, construction, fit... neither manufacturer seems to have intended that the cap would ever be completely disassembled, but Sheaffer really wasn't kidding!
--Daniel
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