Hi,

I remember reading somewhere on this forum that using Noodler's ink voids Pelikan's warranty. I've looked around on the net, but I've not been able to find info that supports that claim.

Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Best regards!

Well thanks for posting this 5 minutes after I loaded Noodler's Legal Lapis into my 605! It was a great pen, and now it's just a puddle of blue acrylic and some blackened rings. Someone please answer the question before I seal it in a pyrex tube and send it to Chartpak.

Doug

You serious?

Well, yes. At least the part about just loading it with Legal Lapis. I just got the ink and loaded a Pelikan M605 and Conway Stewart Dandy. Both are still functioning, though. Both had been loaded with Private Reserve American Blue and Midnight Blues up until the Noodlers. I notice that the Noodlers ink creeps on the nib, and feels "stickier" on my fingers (I'm a sloppy ink loader). But I did read a poll here where Noodler's is used by a large percentage here -- and another poll lists Pelikan as a favored pen -- so I figure there are a lot of Pelikans here with Noodler's ink in them. And after reading your post their owners are now rinsing them out.

I really really doubt that Noodler's would harm a Pelikan, but I'm curious about any response.

Doug

I use Noodlers black in my M1000 with no problems. Would certainly be interested to know if i'm killing the pen though

Peter

Let me make one thing clear: I'm not saying that Noodler's damages Pelikans (I'm a great fan of Noodler's myself). I'm just being curious, because I read something about that warranty-issue.

LMAO. I'm sorry, but this reply is just too funny.

I've been using Noodler's Legal Lapis, Black and other colours in my M215 with no ill effects. I do make sure that the pen is flushed thoroughly between fillings. There was some nib creep with the Legal Lapis the first time it was used, but none with subsequent fillings. As to voiding the warranty I have no idea, FWIW there was nothing about inks voiding the warranty in the literature that came with the pen.

Well, maybe it's a myth (and a naive question ) after all, then...

I have used Noodlers in all of my pens at least once and I do not see any problems

HyperCamper,

Not trying to make fun of you. I did some checking and here's something that might shed some light on the myth. Noodler's makes some lubricating inks for piston-fillers. Apparently, these have caused some problems with some pens. Here's what Pendemonium has to say about Noodler's "American Eel" lubricating inks:

"PLEASE NOTE: We've experienced some rather sporadic flow problems with the Noodler's American Eel lubricating inks. Let's just say they are rather finicky about which pens they work in well. They require a fountain pen feed (that black finned thing on the underside of your nib!) that was very free flowing with a good amount of space between the fins on the feed. Some pens do have them, but many, especially modern pens, do not. The ink in no way will harm a pen, it just might not flow as well as other inks.

"Thus, we have elected not to carry the Noodler's American Eel lubricating inks."

Here's the link to Pendemonium's Noodler's Ink Info page:
Pendemonium's Noodler's Ink Info page

I'm very very new to Noodler's so I can't give you any real advice or data. But this post will solicit responses from Noodler's using Pelkan wielders so it should be useful to you, and the rest of us too.

Again let me say that I didn't mean to poke fun at you. I always talk without thinking, and sometimes I do the same thing when I write. Please accept my apologies!

Doug

No need for apologies, HDoug!

No offence taken in any way. Actually, you reply IS quite funny!

There is a "well known expert" who claims he will not warranty any pen using Noodlers or PR ink after he has worked on it... that is HIS opinion, not the opinion of Pelikan or Chartpak..
I spoke to Kendra at Chartpak about this matter one day in passing and she said there was no such policy.
She did mention that she has had pens come back for repair that were gunked with ink... but generally because they had not been cleaned or left to dry out for months and months... or because someone decided to use drawing ink in the pen.

Don't worry, folks, most likely those people at Pelikan (Germany) have never heard of Noodler's inks, so they couldn't even think of excluding them.

Anyway, there are far more dangerous inks on the market, like iron gall (registrar's) inks, most of them Blue-Black, offered by MB, Lamy, Diamine etc., and no one cares about excluding them.

Those Noodler's Eel inks are special mixes, not to be confused with the regular and eternal lines, so don't bother.

And that "well known expert", which Tom/OldGriz is reffering to, has an opinion that's hard to substanciate with facts. But he's a Guru, so fall on your knees and believe

It has nothing to do with Pelikan (the company). He is a vintage pen restorer-resaller, Rick Propas, who is a rather respected member of the community. Here is the link of his warranty statement. Propas has no agenda against Noodler's. As a repairer has chosen to protect himself in this way. He may loose some clients but this is a calculated risk.

Noodler's is a saturated ink. As such it will (or it has already) face the criticism that other saturated inks have faced (PR and Penman). There are some of us that are practicing proper pen hygiene (i.e. never let the ink to dry in a pen) and are still hoarding and enjoying Penman Same with Noodlers. If you do not let it dry in a pen you will not have any problem. If you let Noodlers dry (or any other saturated ink) the amount of solids left behind can cause problems in feeds, or piston mechanisms. It has to be admitted that Noodler's solid residue is much more benigh that the crystals of Penman and the gunk or PR. But even Nathan has admitted in some of his writings that if you let ink dry in a pen you are looking for trouble.

The moral of the story is keep using Noodlers (and PR and Penman) but do take care of your pens.

Interesting! This thread has shed the most light on this subject! I have heard of Rick's warranty before, but never heard it discussed fully as it has here. I appreciate the information, guys! FPN is great!

m150 with Legal Lapis used on a daily-basis. A fine pen and a fine ink! I love 'em both dearly.

-Allen

It occurred to me that the people using Noodlers ink, could be the people reading FPN, Pentrace, Stylophiles, etc. Similarly the people using Rick Propas could also be people reading FPN, etc. Therefore Rick could be receiving many pens which contained Noodlers ink, from people who read FPN, etc.

I just emailed Rick Propas to tell him that there was this discussion here and invited him to respond to me or weigh in on the subject. If he responds and tells me it's okay to post, I will. I'm hoping we pen aficionados will receive a special dispensation, or that he can give us some guidance that will allow Pelikans and Noodler's ink to co-exist together in peace and harmony.

Doug

Rick Ropas emailed me a response to this thread (so far):



I think we can close the ticket on this one.

Doug