Hi folks,

Does the new '2006' Stipula 22 (Ventidue) address the previous feed issues? I am assuming so since the Titanium nib is gone and a 14K is there instead.

Anyone know for sure? It seems like a well priced piston-filler to my eyes - if the old issues have been resolved.

Thanks.

People I trust have assured me that this new model is the 'real thing', after the earlier disappointment. However it's a slightly smaller pen than the previous one, measuring 5" closed. Too small for my liking, but I'm sure very attractive to many folks out there.

That sounds very promising!

The smaller size sounds perfect for my hand. The size was the only thing stopping me from considering it - but at 5" that's the same as a M400.

Thank you very much for the info - fingers crossed.

Hi Phtalo,

The new colours look very promising too...
That amethist one in particular...

Warm regards, Wim

I was all ready to buy one of these pens from Fahrney's but I just couldn't get past the number 22 on the cap. The number associating it with the periodic table has nothing to do with the pen anymore now that the titanium nib is gone. To bad these new piston fillers are beautiful pens if not short for some.....I just don't want a hood ornament on it and people asking me why is there a number 22 on my pen which absolutely means nothing about the pen. So, I just have to save a little more and get a Suprema this summer.


Scott.

Does anyone have a link where we can see that new 22 ?

You are right about the '22' badge, it doesn't have a place now, but I don't think it looks *too* bad...

I saw the pen here. Two colours are shown.

Update: Here are the other two colours.

Remember it was the feed that was at fault, not the titanium nib.

What I dislike--hate, actually--is the smooth metal section. Why is it that almost every Italian pen maker has switched almost every model to a smooth metal section in the last year? Did they have a fashion show in Milan and these sections walked the runway and took the show by storm?

Sorry to get over wrought, but I do hate those metal sections!

Dan

Thanks for the link Phthalo .

As the nib is Rhodium plated, I guess it should be now called the Stipula Quarantacinque.

Hi Dan,

Ah, you should check out the new Etrurias for 2006, then! No metal sections . The Volterra is absolutely stunning, but then, so are the other three...
or the new Florentias, or the I Castoni, or the Novecentos, or the DaVincis...

Warm regards, Wim

Full ACK

If it's any consolation, Dan, you have a lot of company!

Ok, When I was at the 2006 LA Pen Show, I met the Stipula Rep and him and I were talking about my Stipula Pens and the major issues with the first Stipula 22 pens. He told me that Stipula was releasing the new and improved Stipula 22. he said that the feed issues were completely solved along with a larger nib that is a gold nib rather than the Titanium nib.

I asked him if they are going to rename it Stipula 22 V 2.0 or another name. He told me that they are going to keep the same name. I told him that it was not a good idea because people identify the Stipula 22 as a lemon even with a new and improved 22. He agreed 100% and he thought that it is not going to sell very well because of the past problems with the earlier model.

Looking at the new and improved pen, I am still reminded of that lemon. As nice as it is, I am still reluctant to even consider buying one. I will wait to see how the reviews pan out. One thing that I really liked about the First Stipula 22 is the ink capacity. That pen holds a massive amount of ink. Since I completely overhauled my old 22, I can enjoy the pen as it was intended.

I have a second "old style" 22 on the way to me--bought very cheaply off Regina Martini's new auction site. The first one, in Cognac, has a great stub nib and works better, modified, but is with Vivek to be perfect. This second one, in that bright yellow, has a bold nib and will be perfected.

So I'm with you, Noble Savage. Great pen, post-modification, and at a really low price, well worth the modification.

I didn't pay attention previously to re-sale of this pen, but I wonder where all the unmodified pens are--hiding in drawers? Or did the poor ink flow and lack of a gold nib make them trash bin candidates?

On another note, good to hear about the models without metal sections, Wim. But the Omas Paragon with a metal section! Now, isn't that sad?

best, Dan

I think they are in a Stipula 22 Black hole or a Void of some kind. Thanks to Eniv for his posting of modification of a Stipula 22. Hell, I dont even think it is a modification but more of a total overhaul!!! After Many curse words later, the pen is writing quite nice now after the total overhaul. As far as I am concerned, it is not worth the gamble to buy another older 22. With the money, I can think of better pens to spend it on. I am still curious about the new and improved 22 but I cannot even think of buying one!!

Hi TNS,

I have been asking around a lot over here, about the 22. I have spoken to 4 pen shop owners who retail Stips, and they all say they never had a return on a 22. They didn't sell many, not as many anyway as the Novecento or I Castoni, but sell they did nonetheless.

I think this is really weird...

Warm regards, Wim

Mid-day obsessing, mostly due to certain people's photos of the Etruria, I looked at the Stipula website and they show the new "22" which I think they are calling the Supremo. Neither the LE nor the regular version have a metal section, unlike the ones I'm seeing on eBay, and neither have the "22" above the clip either! What gives!

That might be the case for Europe but over here in the United States, I have heard 90% of the owners who are vocal on pen boards have negative experiences. The Sales Rep for Stipula in the western states has told me that this is THE MOST problematic pen he has even encountered. He even told me that he is skeptical about the sales of the new 22. He thinks that naming the new and improved pen will cause more harm than good.

As for Novecentos, they are among my most favorite of all Stipula pens. I own 4 of them along with 5 of the Etrurias. I thimk my Stipula collection is up to around 14 or so. It is amazing the turnaround of my view of Stipula. When they write 99% of the time, they are some of the most amazing and fantastic writers on the planet. I have had 4 so far that have been total lemons. After complete overhauls on these 4 pens, they are very nice writers. The 22 and the Verona were not the most stellar fountain pens in the Stipula catalogue. Knowing that they had some serious issues with the 22, that is what prompted the reissue with a new and improved pen.

The Supremo is NOT the new 22. They do have a New Stipula 22 out. The Supremo and the Pelegro (SP?) do look an awfully alike the 22 though.

Both the pens you mention are Supremos, Mr. Noble Savage. The Pelago is the LE, the Amber is the regular production. This per the Stip website.

Since they aren't the new 22, that isn't much of a vote of confidence that they haven't added the new 22 to their website, is it? Of course, that's not really fair, since if you look at Parker's website, they are about a half dozen finishes or models behind the current production line!

best, Dan

Here are the images from fahrneys pens and they have two on display, so far. It has the 22 on the cap, metal section and a 14kt gold nib rather than the old titanium nibs of the first model. There are many models that Stipula and other manufacturers do not put on their websites.





TNS

Yes, that's what I've seen on eBay. The plastics are nice, but I think the Supremos are nicer, but that brings me full circle to my dislike of metal sections! Wonder if the Supremo will be offered over here...

Hi Dan,

Just check the US dealer list on the Stipula site. I am pretty sure the Suprema Amber and Pelago are sold by at least some of them. I have seen both offered on the GB in the past.

Currently I have 23 Stips, 20 of which are Etrurias , 1 Etere which is an Etruria in all but name and cap band, and 2 other ones, an Iris and a Novecento Saturno Orangerie, also called Orangerie for short .

The Stipula site has never been up to date, not even the pen shop.

However, they have started a new company now, called Etruria, and they even have a new web site in the making. I think dad Stipula gave over the reign of the company to his daughter and son-in-law, which is currently resulting in a flurry of new pens coming out, and a few changes in the way the company is handled and organized.

Warm regards, Wim