[Gerry]

How do I read Tower, The Tower - are they alternate names?

Gerry

PS: Thanks for the additions...

[DWL]

Honestly I don't know. That was one I picked up off of PT as not being included in the list. I would assume The Tower, but am probably wrong as usual..lol.

Dennis

[Gerry]

Boy, we're both up waaay too late. ;)

Thanks, I'll take a guess at it and amend the list in a minute or two...

Up to 920.

Gerry

This post has been edited by Gerry: 11 March 2006 - 08:33 AM

[jschwab]

As the person who posted to Pentrace, I guess it's up to me to clear the air.

The Tower - Soennecken Sub Brand
Tower - completely separate brand, I have on of their models in my possession, called a Trupoint.

Also,

Caw should be Caws
Swan, Blackbird, Swallow, jackdaw and Kiwi are all model names, not sub-brands.

Mabie, Todd and Bird should be Mabie, Todd and Bard

Soennecken and Soennecken Pen are the same, and should be listed as Soennecken. Company founded in 1875.

Le Tigre - Actually is a Belgian Market Conway Stewart imprint.

Relief - Actually is the early British Esterbrook imprint, also made by Conway Stewart.

Note that Conway did over 50 Custom Imprints, just to muddy the waters a bit.

Add to list:

Dur-O-Lite - Not a subbrand as far as I know. I only had one and Stuart Hawkinson has it now, the bum. :P

Olympia


John Schwab --- Not a brand... :rolleyes:

[Johnny Appleseed]

On a similar note, I believe that Bird North and Co is really Baird-North.

This raises an interesting question, however. Since we are not sure who contributed all of these, and their might be information out there that we don't know - when do we know we can take something off the list? Their might be some obscure Bird North and Co that I have never heard of - how much can we assume? I imagine there are a number of duplicates on the list like this.

I also wonder if we need to clarify terminilogy for some of these sub-brands and model names. What constitutes a brand, a sub-brand and a model name. Is it the presence of the original manufacturer's imprint that makes it a brand?

John

[antoniosz]

Ok one more:

Hauk and Gross of Chicago

[jschwab]

And one more:

Italstilo - Italian made. The one I have looks like a Nozac with the large transparency in the barrel, and the color scheme is reminiscent of the Waterman Inkviews in silver. It is a vac filler.

John

[robertaia]

I saw a several pens at the Chicago Pen Show last weekend that I had not seen before with this name:
Yery Tryly Yours. - big celluliod O/S flattop. Not sure if it was someone's sub-brand.

I also saw and have in my collection several Ever-Ready pens. Also flat top celluliod.
I'm told this was a sub-brand of Eclipse.
Robert

[Johnny Appleseed]

Robert

Was it like this "Yours Truly" pen that Brian Anderson posted on, some time ago?

Yours Truly

I think that was M. Ratner and Sons. Pen Co., but we know nothing more than that.

Didn't Ever-ready buy Eclipse, or vise-versa? I think I remember that - either from the articles you sent me, or the information from George K. (rhr) in the Eclipse Thread.

John

[robertaia]

Johnny:
The clip and color were exactly like the one in your post. I think the section was black.
According to Overbury Ever-Ready bought Eclipse. According to Roede, they didn't. I guess we will have to wait on the article.
Did you get the pics I sent you a couple of days ago with the mottled hard rubber Eclipse pen and matching section?
Robert

[robertaia]

Yours Truly was the name of the pen in Chicago. I knew I should have taken a pen.
Robert

[RichardS]

Can't help feeling I must have missed it somehow, but there seems to be no mention of Burnham. It was a fairly major UK pen company, quite similar in style to Mentmore. It even has a sub-category (of Fountain Pens) all its own on Ebay.co.uk

[robertaia]

Here's another one.
Palmer
Yes, I know they had the 'Palmer Writing Method" that was popular around the turn of last centruy with dip pens and interchangable various nibs But, there was also fountain pens. I have one, a lever filler, the barrell has the "pregnant" shape where it joins the section, similar to their dip pens.

I'm not sure they made the pens, both dip and foutain, themselves are farmed it out to someone. Maybe someone can shed some light on this subject.
Robert

[Patti]

That is truly an astonishing list. Thank you so much for compiling it, and continuing to update it.

Patti

[Gerry]

My apologies to the readers of the list - I'll be updating it shortly. Johnny, your question was spot on - we have only the input of members to guide us, and there are no reassurances that the list is completely accurate.

It is, however a useful tool (I hope), as it represents input from a number of sources, and I'm hoping that review by people interested in their own areas will improve the quality over time. Hopefully there will not be too much to and fro changes by people with opposing opinions on particular areas - if there are, those can be identified as questionable.

Glad to see it is of use to some.

Regards,

Gerry