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#1 parrothead56

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:37

I need suggestions on how to retrieve an ink cartridge that's wedged in the end of my fountain pen barrel. I inserted a cartridge (short int'l) into the section end for writing and another backwards into the barrel for a spare. The spare cartridge is wedged where the barrel begins to taper and I can't tap it out. There's not enough room for tweezers. Anyone else run into this problem?

I'm thinking about trying to find a skinny wood screw to screw into the cartridge in order to pull it out, but I was hoping that someone might have a simple and less messy suggestion.
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#2 BillTheEditor

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:52

What make and model of pen? What is the barrel made of?

If the barrel is made of a material that expands a bit when warmed, and if it would not be harmed by sunlight, you could try placing it on a window ledge in a patch of sunlight for a few minutes. When the barrel warms a bit (but before the cartridge can warm up and expand), try shaking the cartridge out.

As another idea, use a long drywall screw rather than a wood screw to extract the cartridge -- the threads are sharper and should easily penetrate the back of the spare cartridge.

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:54

QUOTE (parrothead56 @ Mar 15 2007, 07:37 PM)
I need suggestions on how to retrieve an ink cartridge that's wedged in the end of my fountain pen  barrel.  I inserted a cartridge (short int'l) into the section end for writing and another backwards into the barrel for a spare.  The spare cartridge is wedged where the barrel begins to taper and I can't tap it out.  There's not enough room for tweezers.  Anyone else run into this problem?

I'm thinking about trying to find a skinny wood screw to screw into the cartridge in order to pull it out, but I was hoping that someone might have a simple and less messy suggestion.

I've had this problem too, in a brand new pen. The horror. I've fiddled around it with a blunt needle until I could tap it out. Somehow it will come out. But I feel for you, this can be so anoying and stressful. (Of course not a huge problem compared to desease etc, but still... wink.gif )

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:55

Oh yes.... this is an old problem that many have run into. Don't feel bad - I know I did this once.

Fortunately, the fix is easy. Unfortunately its also messy.

Your idea is right. But instead of a wood screw use an "eye hook" - the kind of screw with a loop on the end (usually used to hang something).

Find one that's small enough to fit easily, screw it into the plastic (over a sink or towel!) and pull out the converter.

After you have cleaned up the ink, you will be more careful in the future wink.gif



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Posted 15 March 2007 - 19:06

This happened to me recently when I received a new pen with the extra short cartridge stuck just as you described. I was lucky in that just wiggling it (in my case, with an unfolded paperclip) got it loose.

I'd try the heat solution next, but also (depending on how stuck it is) try a small blunt object with either double stick tape or some of that poster putty stuck to the end and see if you can't just pull it free. My point is to try a few things that don't involved puncturing the cartridge first. What a mess that could be! ohmy.gif
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 19:08

QUOTE (BillTheEditor @ Mar 15 2007, 06:52 PM)
What make and model of pen? What is the barrel made of?


It's an Omas Milord (new style) black resin. Got it at a great price since most want that model in a piston filler.

Good suggestions on this, so I guess it's not that uncommon. Guess I'll find a different solution to carrying a spare cartridge. Bummer, because that's one of the few advantages that I can think of for a c/c pen.

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 20:05

QUOTE (parrothead56 @ Mar 15 2007, 01:08 PM)
It's an Omas Milord (new style) black resin.

This seems unlikely, but looking at a photo of that pen I can't help but wonder whether the distal end of the barrel unscrews (the part above the silver trim ring that makes that end look like a vestigial blind cap). If they make the barrels for the piston fillers and for the c/c fillers on the same assembly line, maybe, just maybe they are identical.

If not, I've already given you my other ideas.

Good luck!

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 10:12

Another "tool" to deal with this problem might be an opened out fishhook - of appropriate size - that you can push into the cartridge and turn a little to engage the barb and gently pull.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 11:01

Put a dab of superglue on anything thin enough to fit into the barrel, touch it to the cartridge, leave for 30 min, and pull out...

or, fill the barrel with soapy water, and shake


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Posted 20 March 2007 - 17:36

Yup, I've had the same problem a couple of times, no matter how careful I have been. You certainly are not alone. After the first time, I bought a set of dental instruments at an antique store. I have a couple of dental picks that insert neatly into a stuck cartridge's behind and hook inside so I can pull it out. Just an idea for next time.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 18:46

I haven't had this problem yet, but if I did I would probably reach for my forceps and dental picks first. That's what I use when I get things stuck inside of fencing weapon barrels.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 19:02

Two possibilities aside from using temperature or augering it out and getting inky.

Take some steel wire and cut the end off it with sharp sidecutters. This leaves a very slight flattened edge on the wire oriented at an angle (imagine a miniature garden rake). Carefully push the wire down beside the cartridge with the 'rake' bit at right angles to it - you may have to use a bit of wire you have tapered on a file first to get a bit of space in there. Once you get the 'rake' in there, turn it 90 deg. so that the edge catches on the plastic cartridge and applying a little lateral pressure try and slowly pull it out.

If that fails. and you have access to a high pressure air supply (compressor), hold the barrel in your hand very carefully (above a cushion would be my advice) and blow air at the opening, straight in. If there is any access for the air to get behind the cartridge (perhpas via the divot you made with the previous attempt above) it may come flying out. The pillow is in case you aren't holding it well enough and the whole thing becomes a flying projectile instead.
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Posted 26 March 2007 - 15:07

Hello, I'm replying from Belgium as a new forum member ...
Something similar happened to me a few weeks ago when I inserted a Dupont cartridge as a spare in an MB Starwalker.
Not wanting to damage (even the inside) of its barrel, I went to the "sewing ustensiles" of my wife ...
Holding the barrel vertically I punctured the (filled) cartridge with an awl and then inserted a "crocheting tool" in this opening, rotated it slightly and voila the crochet gave me the opportunity to extract the filled cartridge. By precaution I thoroughly rinsed the barrel to see that not a drop of ink was spilled.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 17:39

Hello just managed to get a very stuvk ink cartridge out of my old gold asprey fountainpen that i managed to buy at auction for a snip. had tried many times over the last year to get it out, but found my solution today. I got a long screw covered it with superglue an screwed it into the cartridge , one hour later hey presto!!

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 21:19

If you don't mind losing the cartridge (and why would you?), I find an unbent (straightened) paper clip to be one of the greatest tools yet invented. Stab the sucker and then apply pressure with the paper clip to slide it out along the side of the barrel.

Or you could use a very fine steel crochet hook.



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Posted 03 November 2009 - 21:26

Here's an idea to make it less messy.

If the cartridge is full, get a syringe and suck it empty before pulling it out.

Apologies if that was suggested before, but I haven't seen it mentioned here at first glance.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 02:52

id try a corkscrew or something like that.

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 07:03

This just happened to me. I used a screwdriver, inserted it and screwed it into the cartridge and pulled out
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 16:06

id try a corkscrew or something like that.

I don't think there are cork screws so small, other wise they would not pull corks out of bottles.

I suggest a converter. I like converters because of the huge amount of ink tints. I understand some converters are problems too.
Perhaps someone knows the better converters.
It would be easy to train your self to ink your pen while drinking your morning coffee.

I can well understand, someone wanting two ink cartridges, so that when one runs dry, one can remind one self to replace it, and still have ink.
That sounds much better than a big ink cartridge.

Best though is a piston filler.

Due to Mauricio's improved definition of Super-flex, I no longer use the term Easy Full Flex.

 

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing with a touch of flair. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For bit more of that get a 'flexi'/maxi-semi-flex. Both spread tines 3X.  Those are not "Flex" nibs. 

 

Odd, how many who should know better, compares Japanese F (which equals EF), with Western F, with out a second thought, but do not compare Japanese B with Western B.

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:32

Well I just found myself in this predicament and my brand new (Refurbished) Lavenger pen has cartridge stuck in it... And can't seem to get it out. I have tried some of these tricks without luck and few I am gonna try later. Thanks everyone for their input.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 02:31

I love the idea of sucking the ink out with a syringe first!<br /><br />However, it is not to messy to go at it directly.  Straighten out a paperclip.  Heat the end with a bic lighter, or functional equivalent.  It will go nicely through the cartridge, like butter.<br /><br />When it cools, take a needle nose pliers and put a v bend \| in the end, push it straight in the whole, then pull out with the cartridge hooked nicely.  <br /><br />Might do it in the sink for cleanup.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 02:39

Why not just glue a chopstick to it and pull it out?

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:47

The standard set of dental picks has one which has a small 90 degree hook on it which can be used to pull out stuck carts.

Also, there are crochet needles which have sort of a barb on them which can also be used.

My favourite is a long self-tapping screw.

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 05:32

My pen is a used S.T. Dupont Montparnasse (which has a little handle at the bottom of the barrel that you turn so that the nib comes off).  The pen was sold without a converter, so I came onto FPN  :)  and found out that I need a Parker converter.  Well, the Parker converter would only go down so far.  I couldn't imagine what was wrong until I looked inside the barrel.  There, staring at me, was the top of a cartridge.  I imagine the previous owner put a second one in the wrong way and it got wedged somehow.  I have tried the unbent paper clip, a thin letter-opener, and a dental prod, but nothing works...it's not budging.  

 

Any other ideas?????  Please..Help.....



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 05:43

My pen is a used S.T. Dupont Montparnasse (which has a little handle at the bottom of the barrel that you turn so that the nib comes off).  The pen was sold without a converter, so I came onto FPN  :)  and found out that I need a Parker converter.  Well, the Parker converter would only go down so far.  I couldn't imagine what was wrong until I looked inside the barrel.  There, staring at me, was the top of a cartridge.  I imagine the previous owner put a second one in the wrong way and it got wedged somehow.  I have tried the unbent paper clip, a thin letter-opener, and a dental prod, but nothing works...it's not budging.  

 

Any other ideas?????  Please..Help.....

 

A long thin wood screw, pull the cartridge out like a wine cork


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:39

Thanks, Beechwood!  I tried it today, and it worked like a charm  :D



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 22:55

This happened to me recently when I received a new pen with the extra short cartridge stuck just as you described. I was lucky in that just wiggling it (in my case, with an unfolded paperclip) got it loose.

I'd try the heat solution next, but also (depending on how stuck it is) try a small blunt object with either double stick tape or some of that poster putty stuck to the end and see if you can't just pull it free. My point is to try a few things that don't involved puncturing the cartridge first. What a mess that could be! ohmy.gif

 

 

If you don't mind losing the cartridge (and why would you?), I find an unbent (straightened) paper clip to be one of the greatest tools yet invented. Stab the sucker and then apply pressure with the paper clip to slide it out along the side of the barrel.

Or you could use a very fine steel crochet hook.



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I love the idea of sucking the ink out with a syringe first!<br /><br />However, it is not to messy to go at it directly.  Straighten out a paperclip.  Heat the end with a bic lighter, or functional equivalent.  It will go nicely through the cartridge, like butter.<br /><br />When it cools, take a needle nose pliers and put a v bend \| in the end, push it straight in the whole, then pull out with the cartridge hooked nicely.  <br /><br />Might do it in the sink for cleanup.

 

 

I found a box of old pens, mostly ball points and fountain pens, old "junk", somewhat interesting in that several are marked "made in USA" or just "USA". You're going to cringe ... all the FPs have old/dried ink on them, old/dried ink cartridges/converters inside, and they've all been neglected. Anyhow....

 

I opened one of the old FPs and found the spare international/standard size cartridge stuck inside the barrel. It was wedged in there real good. Oh no! What do I do?

Before blindly posting my question on the forum, I went and did a search and this was the thread that came up first.

 

I just wanted to say that the paperclip did the trick. Well, not at first. It took a few tries to stab the thing to pierce the hole, and once I got a hole, it took many more unsuccessful tries trying to pull it out because there was nothing for the straight-end paper clip to grab onto. I was worried that all I had accomplished was pushing the cartridge further into the barrel. I was almost resigned to using the pen with one short cartridge and no spare.

 

Then I re-read the thread more carefully and came across adamselene's extra tip of using the needle nose pliers to make a hook at the end of the paperclip. So I bent my paperclip and gave it another go. Voilà!  The ink cartridge is liberated.

 

THANK YOU so much for the great advice!!!! <3

 

 


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 00:35

 

 

 

 

 

 

I found a box of old pens, mostly ball points and fountain pens, old "junk", somewhat interesting in that several are marked "made in USA" or just "USA". You're going to cringe ... all the FPs have old/dried ink on them, old/dried ink cartridges/converters inside, and they've all been neglected. Anyhow....

 

I opened one of the old FPs and found the spare international/standard size cartridge stuck inside the barrel. It was wedged in there real good. Oh no! What do I do?

Before blindly posting my question on the forum, I went and did a search and this was the thread that came up first.

 

I just wanted to say that the paperclip did the trick. Well, not at first. It took a few tries to stab the thing to pierce the hole, and once I got a hole, it took many more unsuccessful tries trying to pull it out because there was nothing for the straight-end paper clip to grab onto. I was worried that all I had accomplished was pushing the cartridge further into the barrel. I was almost resigned to using the pen with one short cartridge and no spare.

 

Then I re-read the thread more carefully and came across adamselene's extra tip of using the needle nose pliers to make a hook at the end of the paperclip. So I bent my paperclip and gave it another go. Voilà!  The ink cartridge is liberated.

 

THANK YOU so much for the great advice!!!! <3

 

 

 

It's a pleasure to read about someone who used the information and advice from previous experiences to answer their question.

 

Bravo for taking the initiative!


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 00:03

I just received a new Kaweco pen. I didn't know that the pen comes with a cartridge that is stored upside down in the barrel. So I put another cartridge in. When I tried to screw the barrel on, of course it wouldn't go on all the way and the original cartridge became lodged in the barrel.

 

I cut a small bit of double sided tape and put it on the end of the new cartridge (that was now attached to the nib unit). I  put the new cartridge with the tape on the end into the barrel, touching the stuck cartridge with the double sided tape. The original, stuck cartridge came right out.

 

So thanks to the person who mentioned the double sided tape!

 

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