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#1 jgysenbergs

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:24

This one has a BB-nib which I later exchanged for an M (see the Montblanc M fact sheet). My writing wasn't at its best or what causes the light/dark difference when zooming in on the strokes? As always, thanks for reading. Comments are most welcome. - JG

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:23

I am sorry JG, having looked at both parts, i prefer the BB nib.

To me seems to suit a pen of this size better, and i really like the subtle line variation you see in your penmanship.

That said each to his own - thank for posting the comparison.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 20:36

i've got it in EF
A people can be great withouth a great pen but a people who love great pens is surely a great people too... Pens owned actually: MB 146 EF;Pelikan M200 SE Clear Demonstrator 2012 B;Parker 17 EF;Parker 51 EF;Waterman Expert II M,Waterman Hemisphere M;Waterman Carene F and Stub;Pilot Justus 95 F. Nearly owned: MB 149 B(Circa 2002);Conway Stewart Belliver LE bracket Brown IB.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 23:37

Ah--you have the pen that I lust for most (this, or the 149 with a BB)! And I have to agree with one of the replies--that your writing in the BB looks great--to my mind nicer than with the M nib, but this is of course subjective.

You asked about the contrast of light and dark in the writing with the BB. Others know more about this than I do, but I'll offer a comment. This effect is called "shading," and for many FP uses, it is a desirable effect. I think, but am not sure, it is more common with broader nibs, because the ink pools a bit at the end of a stroke (hence the darker shade). Shading adds some character to the writing (as does the line variation from the BB nib).

Others will chip in more, I'm sure.

Thank you for sharing the images of your pen and writing!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 00:18

to pursue on shading it comes mainly with broad nibs as they let more ink on the paper and on some places there is more ink than on other and so it looks darker
A people can be great withouth a great pen but a people who love great pens is surely a great people too... Pens owned actually: MB 146 EF;Pelikan M200 SE Clear Demonstrator 2012 B;Parker 17 EF;Parker 51 EF;Waterman Expert II M,Waterman Hemisphere M;Waterman Carene F and Stub;Pilot Justus 95 F. Nearly owned: MB 149 B(Circa 2002);Conway Stewart Belliver LE bracket Brown IB.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:28

Ah--you have the pen that I lust for most (this, or the 149 with a BB)! And I have to agree with one of the replies--that your writing in the BB looks great--to my mind nicer than with the M nib, but this is of course subjective.

You asked about the contrast of light and dark in the writing with the BB. Others know more about this than I do, but I'll offer a comment. This effect is called "shading," and for many FP uses, it is a desirable effect. I think, but am not sure, it is more common with broader nibs, because the ink pools a bit at the end of a stroke (hence the darker shade). Shading adds some character to the writing (as does the line variation from the BB nib).

Others will chip in more, I'm sure.

Thank you for sharing the images of your pen and writing!

Chris


Most welcome comment, thank you. Now I understand the variation in stroke dark/lightness; the effect indeed lends a typical variation to the writing. I'm beginning to like it.

I also wish I had a pen like this, but not all pens in the fact sheets are mine. Some are keepers others are goners ... - Jos

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:08

I'm thinking about getting Montblanc 149 with BB nib.
Thanks for the nice review! :)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:05

Someday when I grow up I'm gonna have an MB!! :thumbup:
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:26

I too like your handwriting in BB, however it ultimately is up to you, and the M nib is a bit more practical for smaller handwriting and notation.


The color variation is called shading, shading varies by several factors: Nib size, ink flow (aka wetness), ink (color/brand affects results, some brands are wetter or dryer, or have inks that shade more) and paper. If you want to avoid shading completely, look for an EF or F nib with a dry ink flow, and stick to blacks and dark colors. Many FP users enjoy the effects of shading, and will find inks that suit there preference in amount of color variation, which of course is affected by all the other factors mentioned above.

For example here is a sample of shading, using a nib that has a generous ink flow, the nib size is a European F(almost an M on more absorbent papers), no line variation without a bit of pressure, and on Rhodia paper, which is known for not being absorbent. As described by my colleagues, "looks like fire on paper" Lovely effect.

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Here is another example:

This is Pelikan M200 Demonstrator filled with Iroshizuku Yama-Budo, and has a 1.1mm oblique cursive italic nib (phew, long description for a nib). fairly wet ink flow, staples brand looseleaf paper.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:46

I have one with B nib and I like it pretty much!
I think I will send it out for a stub grind.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 20:58

I just got a BB 146 and I love it. It's my favorite pen. Just suits me to a tee! I will be writing a review of it and having a lot of fun doing so. Sorry that your BB was a bit much for you but to each their own taste. I hope you love your Medium nib. They really are great pens.



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 21:03

I prefer the BB as well. It seems like your writing is large enough to pull it off without closing up all your e's etc. and the variation and shading make the BB so much more lively. 



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:29

I debated on either a M, BB, B, F and probably one other nib size and eventually went with a OB nib with my 146. I liked the way how the letters came out. Haven't gotten the pen yet, so we'll see if it turns out the way how I expected.  I think I'll make a thread about how an OB nib writes.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:10

I do love the BB in the store. Just that I find the F and the M more for everyday use and I don't have to sit there and watch how my handwriting flows. The one thing about writing with a crayon sized nib you have to be careful how you write otherwise it looks like a 5year old handwriting.

 

Mind you the MB sales reps find it weird to give me a BB saying its for "signature only".

Who buys a pen just to sign their name?


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:56

I do love the BB in the store. Just that I find the F and the M more for everyday use and I don't have to sit there and watch how my handwriting flows. The one thing about writing with a crayon sized nib you have to be careful how you write otherwise it looks like a 5year old handwriting.

 

Mind you the MB sales reps find it weird to give me a BB saying its for "signature only".

Who buys a pen just to sign their name?

Are you sure they weren't trying to sell you the Signature for Good pen line from MB?



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 20:14

Thanks for such a nice review. I love the BB nib, and with the MB pens it still has that slight stub like quality. A MB 149 with a BB nib is on my bucket list!



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 20:37

For a stub-like pen it is a REAL smooth writer. Even my husband (Mr. 149 with a medium nib) said that mine was the smoothest writer of all. That is a HIGH compliment. However, it isn't a boring writer...there is enough "road feel" coming through so that you know you are writing. Montblanc just got it right.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 22:16

Ignore the store personnel. They're pretty much clueless and figure anything wider than an insulin needle is "signature" width.  :rolleyes:

 

Love these nibs. The OBB aren't bad either.  :wub:



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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:27

Dang! Hope you don't mind my saying so, but I really wonder why you'd trade in such an excellent BB nib for an M; as an FP enthusiast who uses one on a daily basis (note taking, journaling, etc.), I understand that there are times where such high shading might be undesirable, mostly due to issues with legibility and the like, but from a purely artistic perspective, I think the writing sample, in particular the shading in the OP looks... well, wow— I want a pen with a BB nib now XD

And yeah, before getting into FPs, I mostly used 0,3 - 0,5mm gel pens or felt tips, so adjusting to the *much* wider line left by my first FP (an M-nibbed Sheaffer Prelude) took quite a while. I can't say that my handwriting suffered at all, though I have to admit that there was a period of awkwardness when I tried too hard to make my note-taking hand look more ornamental; re-reading those scribbles now drives shivers down my spine and makes me wonder what the heck was going through my brain when I used squiggles for t-crosses. *shudder*
 

Also, I kinda envy you for managing to pull off using a BB nib for regular writing! My handwriting is so tiny that my lowercase vowels look like blobs, even with an M nib; I use an F nib for regular notes and junk :P (will edit this post to add a writing sample eventually).


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:22

congrats on the pen :thumbup:


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:42

i have the BB on both a 149 and 146 and love 'em both:

 

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:53

Quite a collection you have! Thanks for the link. - JG


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