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#1 H. Lime

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:46

It's a bit too late for it, as I think I've managed to remove some of the plating while clearing excess ink after refilling my omas scarlet pen -- but are there any special precautions in the care of rose-gold plated nibs?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:22

how did u manage to do that?!!

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:29

I'll mention this to Etruria S.r.l. - this is the second one I have encountered now. It shouldn't be that easy.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:45

how did u manage to do that?!!

no clue.. but this morning i've noticed a discolouration at the base of the nib, where there had been an ink blob i've brushed away, and realised that the plating is gone.

It's an omas scarlet, by the way -- not a stipula erturia. Maybe I'll have a word with Novelli about it. The ink (though I hope it's not the culprit) is Akkerman's "Shocking Blue".

Edited by H. Lime, 03 December 2012 - 10:52.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 16:10

Shocking Blue has a high dye concentration, but I doubt it contains strong acids or other harsh chemicals that would damage the gold plating. Probably best to follow up with Novelli.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 16:26

Shocking Blue has a high dye concentration, but I doubt it contains strong acids or other harsh chemicals that would damage the gold plating. Probably best to follow up with Novelli.

Thanks -- I'll do so. I've used shocking blue on my other pens (though none of them are rose-gold plated), and there had been no issue.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 16:41


Shocking Blue has a high dye concentration, but I doubt it contains strong acids or other harsh chemicals that would damage the gold plating. Probably best to follow up with Novelli.

Thanks -- I'll do so. I've used shocking blue on my other pens (though none of them are rose-gold plated), and there had been no issue.


Rose Gold plating is relatively new to the pen industry, so it's possible OMAS haven't mastered it yet (I believe OMAS had alot of issues when they first introduced Rhodium plating?). However, plating defects will happen occasionally with any material, so the difference in materials could be a coincidence.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 17:40



Shocking Blue has a high dye concentration, but I doubt it contains strong acids or other harsh chemicals that would damage the gold plating. Probably best to follow up with Novelli.

Thanks -- I'll do so. I've used shocking blue on my other pens (though none of them are rose-gold plated), and there had been no issue.


Rose Gold plating is relatively new to the pen industry, so it's possible OMAS haven't mastered it yet (I believe OMAS had alot of issues when they first introduced Rhodium plating?). However, plating defects will happen occasionally with any material, so the difference in materials could be a coincidence.


Omas used rose gold in a somewhat limited version of the Paragon made only in 2002. Georges Zaslavsky just put up a review in the Reviews forum. I have owned one since it came out and though I've noticed the rose gold tarnishes quite easily I never managed to loose any plating. Nor on any of the many rhodium plated Omas pens I own.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 17:47

Omas plating is "suspect" to put it kindly, no doubt about it. While I understand plated cap rings and clip, I suppose the thing I'd want to know is why the nibs are plated in rose gold rather than being solid rose gold. Since the nibs are plated in rose gold, I think I won't be using my Ogiva blue LE any time soon.

At any rate, I'd send a note to Marco at Novelli to see what he says.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:08

I suppose the thing I'd want to know is why the nibs are plated in rose gold rather than being solid rose gold.

That's what I'm curious about.
In fact, I cannot think of a single pen that has a solid rose gold nib (Nakaya for example have a plating).

Perhaps it's due to the alloy not being suitable for nib purposes in some fashion?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:24


I suppose the thing I'd want to know is why the nibs are plated in rose gold rather than being solid rose gold.

That's what I'm curious about.
In fact, I cannot think of a single pen that has a solid rose gold nib (Nakaya for example have a plating).

Perhaps it's due to the alloy not being suitable for nib purposes in some fashion?


That's certainly possible. Also it's probably cheaper to plate a standard (Yellow Gold) nib than to do a special run of nibs in Rose Gold or White Gold (I believe "White Gold" nibs are actually Rhodium or Platinum plated Yellow Gold?).

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:29

That's certainly possible. Also it's probably cheaper to plate a standard (Yellow Gold) nib than to do a special run of nibs in Rose Gold or White Gold (I believe "White Gold" nibs are actually Rhodium or Platinum plated Yellow Gold?).


AFAIK they're usually rhodium-plated yellow gold, yeah.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 19:59

Thanks for your help, people -- I'll keep you posted. Should I put it aside for the time being?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 16:08

According to Marco, this is the result of oxidation. Can someone care to explain?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 16:27

Would it be possible to post a photo of the nib please? I would like to see what it looks like now that it has lost some of its plating.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 17:55

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 18:44

According to Marco, this is the result of oxidation. Can someone care to explain?


I'm not sure what could be oxidixing, perhaps the copper in the Rose Gold? The nib and plating are both 18K Gold, and Gold doesn't oxidize so the only thing which could could have been oxidized are the other metals alloyed with the Gold. If I recall correctly Copper would be more easily oxidized than the other metals commonly alloyed with Gold and Rose Gold contains more Copper and less of those other metals, so oxidation is plausible. And the scaly blue green material certainly looks like it corroded Copper (an oxide, suphate, etc.).

The Shocking Blue ink you used isn't particularly harsh and the problem you encountered doesn't seem widespread. Perhaps the dye in that inks happens to react with Copper. However, I also wonder if something went wrong during the plating and your nib had a section where the plating was rich in Copper and poor in Gold (thus making is susceptible to corrosion by the water in any ink).

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 19:28

Whoa, that looks pretty bad. Near the tip is the nib loosing plating or are those bluish dots dried ink or reflections.

I'd probably write to Omas as well about this.

LOL, if there's no relief in sight, I'd probably just pull the nib and polish away the plating down to the yellow gold. If Omas plating of the rings holds to historic modern norm, the plating will probably come off too, particularly the rings near the nib. I'm staying away from rose gold plating on pens. Seems a fad that should end sooner than later.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 19:42

Well, since the pen has been in my possession about a week, and I don't have the knowledge or the tools to take it apart, I'll have a word with Marco and see what can be done.

Shame, though. The celluloid itself is rather nice.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 00:49

I had similar experience with a Stipula Bellini. The rose gold on the nib flaked and discolored. Last rose gold for me.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:41

I had (and have since sold) the OMAS 360 in translucent blue with rose gold nib and trim. I never had any problems with it, and so far as I know neither does the current owner. So whatever the issue is, it doesn't seem to strike every pen. Either there are a few inks which attack rose gold, or those with problems have/had pens with a plating defect of some sort or another.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:45

I have the same problem with an Omas 360 vintage..... No harsh ink use. Usually just pilot or MB inks, and it started to flake after about 8 months.....
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:57

i was just about to say... same story with my bellini. i bit the bullet and ordered a replacement nib from stipula ( (not that cheap at 25 euros--a 1.1 stub, which was what i should've gotten in the first place), but now i have to be very careful with it.

I had similar experience with a Stipula Bellini. The rose gold on the nib flaked and discolored. Last rose gold for me.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:11

Well, Marco suggests to send to Omas and have them replace the nib.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 13:29

Came back from Omas, good as new. Now inked with Akkerman's Bezuidenwoudgroen (no. 27).

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 13:37

Wow, this is worth noting... thanks for sharing.