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Otto,

 

Another great pen! Just wondering if this pen has the early Waterman 3-fissure feed?

 

Regards, Allan

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Otto,

 

Another great pen! Just wondering if this pen has the early Waterman 3-fissure feed?

 

Regards, Allan

 

Hi Allan,

 

The pen is in one of my piles and I can't locate it at the minute, but I'm pretty sure it had the 3-fissure feed.

 

Best regards,

 

Otto

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Sweet pen Otto. It's a 412? I was wondering if the overlay was a special order but the engraving in the indicia doesn't look like it.

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This is an uncommon pattern, which can be dated to c. 1905-1907 (see more here), with the version in silver probably towards the end of that range.

 

It is a delicate overlay, and nearly always found with damage in the silver version.

 

I would not expect to find it with an early narrow feed, as the Spoon Feed had been introduced and heavily promoted for a few years prior. The star nib is less certain for dating, not just because nibs are somewhat more likely to be replaced than feeds, but because I've seen them in so many pens over such a range of dates -- despite how so many reference books blithely assert that they date to the 1890s, full stop.

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I stand corrected: it has a spoon feed, not the earlier 3 fissure. So, my "pretty sure" was wrong! The end is marked "12" and not 412, like the fine silver overlays were.

 

Thanks for the info as usual, David.

 

This pen is in nice shape, without damage to the overlay. I'm sure it is completely virginal in terms of pen-collector handling. I got it straight from someone who said it had been sitting in a desk for at least 50 years.

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This is an uncommon pattern, which can be dated to c. 1905-1907 (see more here), with the version in silver probably towards the end of that range.

 

It is a delicate overlay, and nearly always found with damage in the silver version.

 

I would not expect to find it with an early narrow feed, as the Spoon Feed had been introduced and heavily promoted for a few years prior. The star nib is less certain for dating, not just because nibs are somewhat more likely to be replaced than feeds, but because I've seen them in so many pens over such a range of dates -- despite how so many reference books blithely assert that they date to the 1890s, full stop.

 

Your GF example has a simple smooth overlay. Mine has engraving.... have others you seen been engraved too?

 

Also, I know little about European pens; do you know if the Montblanc I posted with niello is an original factory versus jeweler's overlay?

 

Otto

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Among the examples I've seen, the amount of engraving and chasing varies. The GF example illustrated is not completely devoid of engraving, if you'll look again. This pattern does predate the use of three and four digit model number imprints on Filigree pens, which starts towards the end of 1907 and is explicitly announced with the release of the 1908 catalog.

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