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#1 hari317

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 17:56

About two weeks back, I placed an impulse bid on a used Lamy2000 set listed on ebay by one of the reputed sellers. It was an impulse bid really with only a couple of seconds for the auction to end. I thought I had overpaid, I could have bought a new Lamy2000 FP for the price I paid, but I was getting the BP also and I wanted to try the BP. Anyway, the set arrived in a week from Germany. To my surprise, the set was an early Lamy 2000 set, both the FP and BP. I used this excellent thread and post to determine the age of the set: link. This is another excellnt blog entry on the Lamy2000 variants: link

The old set:



FP and BP:
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The clips, note the ball insert to form the clip's gripping tab on both the pens:
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Heat Stamping on the BP Barrel:
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Stamping on the FP cap: Lamy2000 W. Germany
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The wonderful OB nib, 18Kt:

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Nib Grade OB stamped on the section:
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The Lamy logo L on the knob end:
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Comparing the older L2k to my other L2k that I bought new in 2004, F nib:

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Clips:
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Knob ends:
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Nib sections:
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Ink view window, newer one on the left:
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The dried M16 refill found on the BP, a new M16 fitted the pen perfectly!
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Some pictures of the entrails in the older pen:

Notice the proprietary folded rubber seal on the lip of the barrel threads, a similar seal is found on the MB 72/74 etc... Newer ones have an O-ring. Rubber seal on the piston, and the transparent anti rotation guide, it is black opaque on the newer ones.

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The piston was slightly stiff, expected from a very old pen like this. Disassembly was straight forward and the piston is very smooth now. Did a disassembly and some cleaning of the forepart(did not take pictures) and the pen writes like a champ. The flow regulator on the feed is green in color!

I have been using the set for the last one week. I usually have a tough time using a left Oblique nib, but somehow this nib is superb to use and the pen makes a wonderful line with some line variation.

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Cheers!
Hari

Edited by hari317, 23 July 2012 - 18:59.


#2 Redbarchettayyz

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:01

That is a great comparison, Hari. Thanks for putting this up. I have actually never seen the 2000 BP, so that was interesting.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:24

Very nice, Hari. From the pictures (though it's hard to tell with reflections and such) it appears to have been gingerly used. I bought an old mechanical pencil a few years ago and it came very shiny and smooth. Talk about patina!

Nice pic of the rubber seal, and cool also that you got one with a green stripe on the feed. The mark of an original! Congratulations and nice score!

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:30

Thank you for the review and pictures. I like the stamping and logo on the older Lamy 2000 better than the more modern Lamy 2000.

#5 hari317

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:32

Very nice, Hari. From the pictures (though it's hard to tell with reflections and such) it appears to have been gingerly used. I bought an old mechanical pencil a few years ago and it came very shiny and smooth. Talk about patina!

Nice pic of the rubber seal, and cool also that you got one with a green stripe on the feed. The mark of an original! Congratulations and nice score!


The pen is shiny in patches, but it was quite clean from inside. Wow, I did not know about the green stripe on the feed, what does that indicate?

Actually I was quite careful around the lip seal, I learnt about these seals the hard way with a Montblanc 72. These will tear easily and they tend to bunch up when screwing on the section. On the Montblanc, the section can crack due to the stress!

Thank you also for the 2000 history thread. I wish the now missing pics on that thread could come back. is that possible? It will be helpful for us Lamy fans.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:45

As I understand it, the green stripe in the feed was used in the original run of Lamy 2000s, and then was replaced by the now standard and slightly revised solid black feed. I'm not sure when exactly this change occurred, though. Someone posted more information on this in that thread.

By the way, I just found the old pictures. I didn't know they had been removed from Flickr! I will see if the mods can help me reinstate them.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:58

As I understand it, the green stripe in the feed was used in the original run of Lamy 2000s, and then was replaced by the now standard and slightly revised solid black feed. I'm not sure when exactly this change occurred, though. Someone posted more information on this in that thread.

By the way, I just found the old pictures. I didn't know they had been removed from Flickr! I will see if the mods can help me reinstate them.


Thank you, a google search revealed this excellent blog post with pics. link, I will post a link to this blog on my OP as well.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 20:13

Great thread Hari, thanks for posting it and congrats on the new pens. Now there's the roller ball and the pencil and you have the complete set? :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 20:29

Great post. I have a newer Lamy 2000 FP and it was interesting to see how the older models differ.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 22:19

Hi Hari,

Thanks for this great post. Which do you find the nicer to write with? (Hard to tell when the nibs are so different I guess?) I've handled couple of 1960s/70s 2000s and thought they were somehow more satisfying to use than newer ones, even before the all-metal section.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 03:15

Great thread Hari, thanks for posting it and congrats on the new pens. Now there's the roller ball and the pencil and you have the complete set? :rolleyes:

Thank you. Actually I was not seeking these out actively, it just happened. I might buy a new pencil, but not anytime soon. :)

Great post. I have a newer Lamy 2000 FP and it was interesting to see how the older models differ.


Thank you.

Hi Hari,

Thanks for this great post. Which do you find the nicer to write with? (Hard to tell when the nibs are so different I guess?) I've handled couple of 1960s/70s 2000s and thought they were somehow more satisfying to use than newer ones, even before the all-metal section.

Cheers,

Ralf


Hi Ralf, the 2004 pen was my reliable workhorse and was in continuous rotation for a good many years, it is still like new but I have retired it. I still have to bond with the new older one :)

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:41

Oh dear Hari, do you know what you have done?

I thought having a Lamy 2000, I had met that particular requirement for my collection... but now I want an older one, too! I particularly like the cap end and clip detailing on the older pen - the newer version doesn't quite have as much character.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 18:50

:)

Now I am being pulled in a different direction. The new all SS Lamy2000 is calling me. The pull is unbearable.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 23:34

A great review. I am glad you found love in this OB given your typical discomfort with slanted nibs.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 00:54

Any spring or flex in the nib?
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:02

A great review. I am glad you found love in this OB given your typical discomfort with slanted nibs.

Thanks. perhaps a reverse oblique nib is more suited to my grip and palm position.

Any spring or flex in the nib?


The 18K nib is firm but not rigid. a very pleasing nib.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:31

lovely pen indeed, thanks for the review
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