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#1 diverdoc

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 22:17

So what is with the astronomical prices being asked for new a new Phileas? I've heard that the model is discontinued, but is that enough reason for a $35 pen to command prices in the $150+ range?!? :yikes:

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 22:58

Yeah, it happened when the last person on this forum mentioned they were discontinued. This thread should bump it up some more. :rolleyes: :roflmho:

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 22:58

There is only one seller, and it's not this chap
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who that offers them at that price.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 23:01

Those prices are for the NOS marbled ones. You can still buy plain and demonstrators below $50. I guess the collectors want them now they are not made anymore and they are also still desirable for a first "decent" pen for students. So there is a demand thing going on. I have a very nice red marble one that was given me as a gift in the late 1990s and other than the fact that I have grown out of stiff nibs, I still think they are good pens.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:11

Yes you right as you said. I am so surprised about the Phileas price on amazon that I bought one year a go for 32 US$. Really skyrocketing :yikes:

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:02

Amazon UK no longer has any for sale - just a few nibs. :huh:
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:15

I just purchased a mint blue marble Phileas 2 weeks ago for $23.00. And there were a couple others out there in similar price ranges if that one had fallen through. Some of these pens just go through ebb and flow, once some current interest wanes. Nonetheless, price follows scarcity, so I don't expect them to be bargains forever...
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:44

I just purchased a mint blue marble Phileas 2 weeks ago for $23.00. And there were a couple others out there in similar price ranges if that one had fallen through. Some of these pens just go through ebb and flow, once some current interest wanes. Nonetheless, price follows scarcity, so I don't expect them to be bargains forever...


The marble ones can still be had for reasonable prices. It's the earlier mottled ones that seem to be moving up. Like this Mississippi Red.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:54

I see. Well, that looks just like mine, except in red. The one I purchased recently was said to be from the late 1990's, but I know that my original I bought in 1990 specifically. When you say "earlier", what time span are you referring to?
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:02

"DISCONTINUED" places a limit on the supply. The Phileas is a pretty good
writer that looks dressier than other school pens.

I recently got a medium nib marble green one for $25. Fine points are
more desirable, therefore cost more. Blue are more desirable than green.
The demonstrators, especially the pink, are still pretty cheaply priced.

$25 is probably too much for the entry-level green Phileas, but I had $25,
and did not have the Phileas in my collection. Hey, it's fun.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:34

I see. Well, that looks just like mine, except in red. The one I purchased recently was said to be from the late 1990's, but I know that my original I bought in 1990 specifically. When you say "earlier", what time span are you referring to?


It is fairly easy to tell the difference between early mottled (as per the ink stain finish on old book covers) and late models (marble). The mottled have a round blotch pattern, consisting of 2 colours (grey/black, green/black, red/black and purple/black). The marble consists of 3 colours red/black/white, blue/black/white, green/black/white. The white being just a flash here and there. While I have catalogues which include both models they are undated but I understand the mottled were from mid to late 90's and the marble from late 90's.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:26


I just purchased a mint blue marble Phileas 2 weeks ago for $23.00. And there were a couple others out there in similar price ranges if that one had fallen through. Some of these pens just go through ebb and flow, once some current interest wanes. Nonetheless, price follows scarcity, so I don't expect them to be bargains forever...


The marble ones can still be had for reasonable prices. It's the earlier mottled ones that seem to be moving up. Like this Mississippi Red.

The selling price of this pen is hardly unreasonable.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:08

A few years ago I bought a few of these to resell in the future, including some broad nibbed pens, glad I did so if they are fetching this sort of price now, what will they be worth in five years!

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 17:16

It is fairly easy to tell the difference between early mottled (as per the ink stain finish on old book covers) and late models (marble). The mottled have a round blotch pattern, consisting of 2 colours (grey/black, green/black, red/black and purple/black). The marble consists of 3 colours red/black/white, blue/black/white, green/black/white. The white being just a flash here and there. While I have catalogues which include both models they are undated but I understand the mottled were from mid to late 90's and the marble from late 90's.

Aha, I should keep my eyes open for the mottled. However, I can confirm one thing: the marbled covered the entire decade, because I *definitely* purchase my original in 1990. It was a present to myself after landing a job from going back to school for my second degree.

ETA: I just thought I would amend this - it is entirely possible that it might have been in the "early 90's", not precisely 1990, though that is what I remember. Also, I've had a hard time finding images of, and writing about, the "mottled" Phileas pens. It would be interesting if anyone can point to a site that catalogs all the Phileas finishes. Or is that Phinishes?

Edited by JonSzanto, 25 March 2012 - 18:21.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:42

Catalogue A
Indus Grey
Amazon Green
Mississippi Red
Danube Blue

Catalogue B
Blue Marble
Green Marble
Red Marble
Black
Ruby Red
Midnight Blue
Turquoise Green

Both catalogues are undated. Both look modern.

Catalogue A shows 3 Edson colours Saphire Blue, Ruby Red and Emerald Green. The Serenite does not appear.

Catalogue B shows the Serenite, only the Saphire Blue Edson, and Carenes from the later colours ie Violet and Charcoal.

Edited by Force, 26 March 2012 - 05:43.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:20

I'm guessing these are print catalogs, not something online, right? (otherwise you would have links). Which of those colours would correlate to what you referred to as "mottled" - all of those in Catalog A?

Edited by JonSzanto, 26 March 2012 - 06:21.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:51

I'm guessing these are print catalogs, not something online, right? (otherwise you would have links). Which of those colours would correlate to what you referred to as "mottled" - all of those in Catalog A?


Yes, I have Waterman hard copy catalogues and yes catalogue A are the mottled colours. I will post pictures this evening.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:02

Thanks, and no rush! I don't want you to think I'm a pest at this. I just did a search and came up with a catalog (originally posted on FPN) that had been scanned, but while it was from 1990-2000, it didn't seem to include Phileas.

Again, thanks, this is interesting!
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:20

Saw tonight that pen boutique has the phileas on sale for $42.50. They have black and then the marbled red and blue.

Meantime I missed one for $25 on eBay tonight... it went for $26.50... :crybaby:
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:53

Thanks, and no rush! I don't want you to think I'm a pest at this. I just did a search and came up with a catalog (originally posted on FPN) that had been scanned, but while it was from 1990-2000, it didn't seem to include Phileas.

Again, thanks, this is interesting!


No problem, I think it fair to say, we all find trying to correctly date pens of interest. Please post the FPN link.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 17:57

No problem, I think it fair to say, we all find trying to correctly date pens of interest. Please post the FPN link.

Well, TBH, the thread was old enough that there were three or four links to the file that had expired over time, and I finally tracked it down. I doubt I would have remembered, thank goodness for Firefox History tracking!

I don't remember who the member was that posted it, sorry that I'm not giving proper attribution. The catalog is held in Google docs, currently:

Waterman Pen Catalogue 1990 - 2000 (pdf)
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 18:11

Because of their size I have uploaded a pdf to Google. Lets see if this works,

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 18:21

Worked perfectly - WOW! I have never seen any of those second set of finishes! Are the two images from two differing catalogs, or just two different pages? Thanks so much, those are awfully lovely for a modest pen.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 18:28

They are from 2 different year A5 catalogues. I have the full size catalogues but the pens are the same and it was easier doing the A5's. If you click on my Waterman Pens page in my footer you will see an Indus Grey against the marble Red & Blue.

Edited by Force, 26 March 2012 - 18:30.


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:43

I have now located dates of 2000 & 2001 in 2 catalogues which show the marble versions.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 17:51

Indus Grey, Mississippi Red, Marble Red, Marble Blue & Black

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:56

Early models are still making some good bunce...

I wonder if it's going to Brasil or Belgium.

Edited by Force, 09 April 2012 - 10:57.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:27

Sold a new one with a broad nib last night on ebay.com that only fetched £26, boxed and better than that one at £41, I must be doing something wrong!

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 13:36

Sold a new one with a broad nib last night on ebay.com that only fetched £26, boxed and better than that one at £41, I must be doing something wrong!


Ahhh yours was a Green Marble that one was an Amazon Green which is from the first version. With a collector it has the slight edge.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 14:13


Sold a new one with a broad nib last night on ebay.com that only fetched £26, boxed and better than that one at £41, I must be doing something wrong!


Ahhh yours was a Green Marble that one was an Amazon Green which is from the first version. With a collector it has the slight edge.



IHave two Philii, both green marble, the one that was sold last night was a later model and a different shade of green, hint of blue there. My other Phileas is much older, 1980s pen from memory.

The Waterman Phileas is one of the few modern pens where the price is going up.

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