Comparison - Montblanc Midnight Blue : Ecclesiastical Stationery Supples Registrars Ink : Montblanc Blue-Black

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

This comparison was created at the instigation of Member Messner, LINK, yet is an incomplete response as Diamine Registrars Ink is not included. This Topic is also an extension of my previous Reviews and Comparisons of Blue-Black inks.

 

Please be aware that the Montblanc Blue-Black ink was discontinued; those samples were created using a recently opened quite full bottle of that ink from my dwindling cache.

 

This Comparison includes far fewer samples than the Reviews I posted for each ink, but hopefully enough to better support the comparison process by producing new scans and having the written samples in close proximity within the same Figure.

 

Rather than [endlessly] describing the differences between the inks, I shall leave it to other Members to set the course for our usual constructive and convivial discussions.

 

So let's cut to the chase . . .

 

 

☞ For convenient viewing of the images in all their inky goodness, you may wish to scroll to the menu at the very bottom of this window, then ensure the FPN Theme is http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/ecb8726d-1.jpg.

 

Please take a moment to adjust your gear to accurately depict the Grey Scale below.

As the patches are neutral grey, that is what you should see.

Mac

http://www.wikihow.c...te-Your-Monitor

Wintel PC

http://www.calibrize.com/

Grey Scale.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/b4a04182.jpg

 

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WRITTEN SAMPLES - Moby Dick

Ruling: 8mm.

Scale: Each original ink-on-paper sample is 105x85mm.

 

Figure 1.

Platinum President Purist on HPJ1124.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/4633435e.jpg

Layout:

MBMBl MBlBk ESSRI

MBlBk ESSRI MBMBl

Figure 2.

Waterman Carene on Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/7e9e426b.jpg

Layout:

MBMBl MBlBk ESSRI

MBlBk ESSRI MBMBl

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As there is some advanced hair-splitting involved, I have chosen to present portions of each of the Written Samples in the same scan; and used the width of the samples captured in the Ink Reviews' Hi-Res scans - 60mm per ink.

That same approach was used to capture the Hi-Res scans shown below, where the height is 30mm.

The sheets overlap, so minor read-through may be seen, I hope that is not distracting.

Figure 3.

Paper: HPJ1124.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/6b2c959a.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

Figure 4.

Paper: Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/f992db02.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

 

Hi-Res Scans

 

As I am may be at the tipping point of earning the sobriquet 'Queen of The Bandwidth Bandits', these are not IMG-thumbs.

 

Figure 5.

Sheaffer 440 on HPJ1124.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/5e2b0bf8.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

Figure 6.

Platinum President Purist on HPJ1124.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/88e89882.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

Figure 7.

Carene on HPJ1124.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/82e9d1e2.jpg

 

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

Figure 8.

Sheaffer 440 on Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/4d6174d1.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

Figure 9.

Platinum President Purist on Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/f0bcbd43.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

Figure 10.

Carene on Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/c2353d34.jpg

L → R: ESSRI, MBMBl, MBBlBk.

 

 

OTHER STUFF

 

Figure 11.

Pen: Platinum President Purist.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Comparison-MBMBl-MBBlBk-ESSRI/592600e2.jpg

L → R: MBMBl MBlBk ESSRI

 

 

COMMENTS

 

• I was rather surprised at the inconsistency in the appearance of the samples on HPJ1124 relative to those on Rhodia. It seems that consistency of paper performance is an underestimated aspect of ink sampling.
• If you'd like more detailed information, please send me a PM; I'll do what I can. (Within reason - you naughty FPN boys.)
• I leave it to each viewer to interpret what is seen, and/or to initiate discussion in the usual way.

Bye,

S1

 

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NUTS & BOLTS

 

Pens:

• Sheaffer 440 + steel F nib.
• Platinum President Purist + 22K B nib.
• Waterman Carene + 18K factory stub nib.

Papers:

• HPJ1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
• Rhodia.
• Staples 20lb for S/DT only.

Images

• For Figures 1, 2 & 11, I used Adobe Photoshop Elements 6 to capture output @ 200 dpi from an Epson V600 scanner in psd format. The scans were cobbled into composites, converted to 'web-optimised' jpg format. That process was no joy.
• Figures 3 & 5 were scanned at 200 dpi using the Epson scanner software in my usual manner.
• The Hi-Res scans were scanned at 300 dpi using the Epson scanner software in my usual manner.
• Images were not adjusted post-capture, other than dumb-down by APE6, Epson, Photobouquet and IP.Board s/w.

Fine Print

The accuracy and relevance of this Comparison depends in great part upon consistency and reliability of matériel used.

Ink does not require labelling/notice to indicate (changes in) formulation, non-hazardous ingredients, batch ID, date of manufacture, etc.

As always, YMMV, not only from materials, methods, environment, etc., but also due to differences between the stuff I used, and that you may have.

Also, I entrust readers to separate opinion from fact; to evaluate inferences and conclusions as to their merit; and to be amused by whatever tickles your fancy.

 

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Tags: FPN Fountain Pen Ink Review Comparison Montblanc Midnight Blue Black BlBk Bl-Bk ESSRI Ecclesiastical Stationery Supplies Registrars Ink I-G iron-gall Sandy1 14-03-12 14 March 2012 03-14-2012

 

Edited March 14, 2012 by Sandy1

[Sandy1]

Directly related Ink Reviews:

 

Montblanc Midnight Blue

http://www.fountainp...-midnight-blue/

Comparison Exemplars: Post № 43

http://www.fountainp...ost__p__2178638

Montblanc Blue-Black

http://www.fountainp...with-iron-gall/

 

Ecclesiastical Stationery Supplies Registrars Ink (ESSRI)

http://www.fountainp...registrars-ink/

 

 

My previous Comparisons :

(May be of some interest to those who have not yet been rendered comatose.)

 

Comparison & Wet Tests - Pelikan Blue-Black::Montblanc Midnight Blue::Noodler's Legal Lapis.

http://www.fountainp...-midnight-blue/

 

Comparison - Pelikan BlBk : MBMBl : LBlBk

http://www.fountainp...49?do=findComment&comment=2242649

 

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Please also refer to the recent Comparison of MBMBl to MBBlBk by jandrese: http://www.fountainp...-midnight-blue/

 

Edited March 14, 2012 by Sandy1

[nmxcop]

Ah yes, the splatter test shows why I much prefer the DiamineRI/ESSRI/Pharmacist iron-gall inks to the Montblanc and Pelikan blue-blacks. Montblanc and Pelikan have lower i-g and higher water soluble dye content to obtain the blue/black effect. They look much the same as the DiamineRI/ESSRI/Pharmacist inks after oxidation but if they get wet (but not completely soaked) the heavy dye component runs and can obscure the writing. There may be a very faint dye run with the D/E/P inks but it is never enough to obscure the writing. Ironically, it might well take further soaking in water to clarify writing with the Montblanc and Pelikan blue-blacks at the great risk of pulping the paper. I used to do a lot of water soak tests in checking for inks that would be permanent enough to save the writing if they were to get wet down the line. These days I generally prefer splatter tests as being much more realistic and instructive regarding "real world" conditions. I've sacrificed a few Moleskine/Field Notes cahiers with various inks and then dipped in water. Some of the heavy dye runs really mess with readability under those situations, both on the page the ink was written on and adjacent pages. FWIW

 

nmxcop

[lapis]

Montblanc and Pelikan have lower i-g and higher water soluble dye content to obtain the blue/black effect....

nmxcop

Pelikan has repeatedly promised me that their blue-black (on any continent) has zero iron-gall content (at least since about 25 years.) MB, on the other hand does, and it's not all that low. I don't think that they're lying, especially if you ask the "right" people in the company. We still can't prove anything until we do that ourselves.

 

Mike

[nmxcop]

Mike,

 

I have heard both versions on the Pelikan BB, that it has no i-g and that it has just a touch, both statements reportedly direct from Pelikan. Based on my experience with Pelikan's BB behavior on paper and in soak tests I am very much inclined to think it does, in fact, have a touch of i-g. If soak tests are perfomed on the various i-g inks you can get a good feel for how much relative i-g content is present in the inks by the darkness of the remaining line. Based on my observations, Pelikan and Montblanc have the lowest concentrations, R & K Salix and Scabiosa along with Lamy BB (old formulation) are intermediate and Diamine RI, ESSRI, and Pharmacist's I-G Ink have the highest concentrations with Pharmacist's probably being the highest overall. Again, FWIW.

 

nmxcop