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Posted 09 March 2012 - 18:27

Foreplay
This is intended to be a real quickie for the simple reason that so many of us have been waiting to get a look at it and maybe decide whether or not to buy it after all. The last two posts I see discussing this topic include this and this.
This ink is described by Pelikan (in English and in German) as being a "blue-black", Of all of the new Pelikan Edelstein inks, this one seems to be the one least disregarded, possibly because it hasn't even been available very long (har, har). So, let's have a look at it.…

Very first impressions
Much better than I thought! Especially after reading the above two postings where almost all of us were disappointed with previously sought after gems. I immediately found it wetter than the other Edelstein gems, much wetter than the 4001s, also darker and more saturated than I was expecting.

Instrumental comparisons
Swabs (single, double and triple), a Crest BB, a Pelikano M, and a Rubinato feather dipstick XF, in that order. This is all on Avery Zweckform 100 g paper.
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Fast decision on properties
■ Flow: Very good, wettest Pelikan ink I know of.
■ Lubrication: Also good.
■ Saturation: High. Higher than most of the other Edelstein inks.
■ Shading: Not bad. With a flex, it'd be better (I think).
■ Bleeding: None!
■ Feathering: None!
■ Waterproofness: No more than that of Pelikan's 4001 Blue-Black.
■ Drying time: 10-12 s, with my Pelikano M nib on this paper.

Ink Comparisons
The order of significance here is -- to start off with -- irrelevant but Pelikan's 4001 blue-black and PR's Tanzanite are obvious candidates. Then, I couldn't help thinking of MB's blue-black (I used the current Midnight Black here) and Sailor's Jentle blue-black which are the "best" blue-blacks I have, as mentioned earlier somewhere else today. C'mon, I know there are dozens of others but I wanted to start off small today.The famous Parker's and Waterman's blue-blacks don't have a chance (for me) because I still find them too much of a green-grey. Here's a shot which appears a bit too bright on my monitor. But just a bit. All with single-double-triple swabs, a Crest BB, and all on the same paper as above.

To sum it up, I see this:
■ Similar colour to that of the 4001, a hint darker (blacker) together with a half a hint of red.
■ By no means as violet or purple as PR's Tanzanite, but that was no shock to me.
■ Not as black as MB's or Sailor's but at the same time more saturated.

Last word (for the moment)
■ Box and bottle are beautiful but the bottle isn't all that practical to get out the last few drops, and it's also hard to unpack out of the box.
■ Capping is a good as MB's new shoes, but only the capping.
■ Pelikan being Pelikan means that you can get it all over the world (like MB) … but…
■ The envisaged disappointments of previous gems here might possibly turn one off from trying out this one, too, and ….
■ As if that weren't enough, their prices are too high. One ml of these costs exactly twice as much as the older 4001 inks.
■ On the box's bottom and backside, I read "EXTRA SOFT INK". That may well be the right way to put it, at least for the other Edelstein offers, but I'm not sure that that would apply to this ink.
■ All in all IMO, this is still a more than a "good" ink. At least "better" than a lot of the other Edelstein things. If you have been disappointed up to now by those, then do get this Edelstein.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 19:23

Looks Great! I think I'll have a go!

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 19:24

I'll pawn a couple of bottles of Twisted Spire and have a go.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 19:54

Thanks for this.

On my monitor, this looks a bit like Rohrer & Klingner Scabiosa.

Edited by Laura N, 09 March 2012 - 19:54.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 20:33

I'll pawn a couple of bottles of Twisted Spire and have a go.

If your good ol' English drinkable comes in at £1.90 per bottle (at the local Co-op supermarket) then you're going to have to cough out 6 bottles in order to buy our new German laxative.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 20:46


I'll pawn a couple of bottles of Twisted Spire and have a go.

If your good ol' English drinkable comes in at £1.90 per bottle (at the local Co-op supermarket) then you're going to have to cough out 6 bottles in order to buy our new German laxative.

(I'd rather not show an emoticon here.)


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 20:47

Thanks for this.

On my monitor, this looks a bit like Rohrer & Klingner Scabiosa.


Just for reference, here's my scan of Scabiosa.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 20:57



I'll pawn a couple of bottles of Twisted Spire and have a go.

If your good ol' English drinkable comes in at £1.90 per bottle (at the local Co-op supermarket) then you're going to have to cough out 6 bottles in order to buy our new German laxative.

(I'd rather not show an emoticon here.)


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Boy, I'm tellin' ya: that's just like a pint of Tabasco... that stuff burns twice...
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 21:02


Thanks for this.

On my monitor, this looks a bit like Rohrer & Klingner Scabiosa.


Just for reference, here's my scan of Scabiosa.
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Thanks, that's great! Well, I can see similarities, but they definitely differ.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 03:20

Thanks, Mike. I'm thrilled to finally get a look at this ink. Now can you get your hands on the other new one?

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 03:42

So glad it's wet and shades. Those are two great characteristics.


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Posted 10 March 2012 - 09:17

Hi,

Many thanks for the Review! :thumbup:

I rather like the look of this one from all pens shown - quite subtle, with attractive shading. Pleasantly soft & smooth. A bit more Blue would have been welcome though.

Performance seems quite all right.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 10:12

Thanks for the review! I've been thinking about getting Edelstein Tanzanite and Turmaline, and your review definately helped me. Wet and lubricating, great! Now ... this would be ink number .... 46? 47? :blush:

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 11:45

I have just asked Pelikan what they mean by EXTRA SOFT INK on the box but they didn't know off hand. They said they'll let me know and I'll forward same.

Interestingly, their site says "The Edelstein Ink Collection comprises nine brilliant colors with a special ingredient that ensures extra smooth writing and care for the fountain pen." So, I'd say that "soft" means an improved flow and/or wetness. Likely different detergents/tensides/lubes etc and/or higher concentrations thereof. This would be in contrast to the older 4001s, which most of us feel to be too "dry". Maybe something for even better maintenance. Unlikely any big pH modification.

The first thing I had thought of was "softness" in the sense of pastell, creamy, chalkiness.... But as you can read above, they do say "brilliant", too, an adjective also used for the black, red and green 4001s. IMO, none of those are particularly brilliant, especially any of the new series.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 18:51

is it blue-black or purple-black?
looks like an interesting color and different from MB Midnight Blue.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 19:07

is it blue-black or purple-black?
looks like an interesting color and different from MB Midnight Blue.

This Tanzanite is a hint lighter and 2 hints more purple but definitely much wetter and smoother than MB Midnight Blue. MB's is however much more water-resistant.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 14:27

I just received a mail from Pelikan and they replied as follows (in this order): The Edelstein Ink now contains an additive which takes care of the inside of a piston filler pen and also enables a soft, gentle feeling when writing. That's good to hear (for me) since I had originally thought only of the improved wetness, which I like very much. I have used the 4001s so very little so that I've never really had any maintenance problems with those, just flow problems.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 15:01

I just received a mail from Pelikan and they replied as follows (in this order): The Edelstein Ink now contains an additive which takes care of the inside of a piston filler pen and also enables a soft, gentle feeling when writing. That's good to hear (for me) since I had originally thought only of the improved wetness, which I like very much. I have used the 4001s so very little so that I've never really had any maintenance problems with those, just flow problems.

Mike


Do you know if that applies to all the Edelsteins going forward, or is it just for the new colours?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 16:35

Do you know if that applies to all the Edelsteins going forward, or is it just for the new colours?

Sorry, I don't get it (honestly). This new term "SOFT" applies to all 9 of the presently available Edelsteins. And will continue to apply to all/any other Edelsteins yet to be issued. All 9 of these colours -- and of course the inks themselves -- are new. None of them is a rename like the policy adopted by Waterman (and possibly MB).

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 17:26

Sorry, I read into your comment that the improved wetness was in the Tanzanite compared to most of the rest of the Edelstein lineup. People tend to say the Edelsteins run a little dry, and that Tanzanite is among the wettest of the line, so I was thinking you mean that Pelikan added some materials to make this one wetter than previous Edelstein inks, and was asking if the rest of the inks would follow suit.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 18:11

Sorry, I read into your comment that the improved wetness was in the Tanzanite compared to most of the rest of the Edelstein lineup. People tend to say the Edelsteins run a little dry, and that Tanzanite is among the wettest of the line, so I was thinking you mean that Pelikan added some materials to make this one wetter than previous Edelstein inks, and was asking if the rest of the inks would follow suit.

Nonetheless, a good question! I bought all 9 and find them all quite wet. [A] in any case wetter than those 4001s possibly considered to be comparable (e.g. Tanzanite instead of 4001 blue-black). [B] I haven't found any of the 9 to be as dry (let alone less dry) than any of the 8 4001s. [C] The Edlestein Tanzanite still isn't as wet (IMO) as PR's Tanzanite but that'd require a real task!

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 19:04

My Edelstein inks all say "EXTRA SOFT INK" on the box, too. They all predate these two new ones, which aren't even available here yet.

I personally consider my Edelsteins -- Topaz, Mandarin, Ruby and Sapphire -- to be drier inks. Not in the sense of scratchy, or poorly lubricated, or drying up in the pen. I just mean that they tame my wet vintage Pelikan pens. I get too much flow if I use Waterman Florida Blue or, say, Pilot Iroshizuku Ku-jaku. But the Edelstein inks work perfectly. So I use dry in a good sense.

Of the 4001 inks, I regularly use only Royal Blue and Blue Black. I find a comparable dryness, in my pens, between these inks and the Edelsteins. Just to provide another data point.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 20:03

Again, a good point. As mentioned above, I haven't really compared all 9 with a whole bunch of other inks. The only 4001 I use occasioanally is the blue-black. Also, all of my Souveräns are at most 8 or so years old. But I'm working on that, believe me.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:11

I Like This Ink...!!
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:14

And I love it too! I'll get a scan done later but initially I find it just a little bit 'wetter' than the old-faithful 4001 Blue-Black
Until then.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 17:25

And here's the scan I promised/threatened. The deliberate mistake is that I refer to the paper as Clairefontaine but it's actually a sheet from a Rhodia pad. However, my Rhodia web notebook has the Clairefontaine logo on the first page so there you are.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:13

Fabulous! I love the comparison. Thanks, The Good Captain!

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:38

does it behave like private reserve tanzanite??
Pens are like watches , once you start a collection, you can hardly go back. And pens like all fine luxury items do improve with time
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 00:24

Loving this color today in my Medici...

Not loving the massive feathering and bleedthrough in my Leuchtturm 1917 work notebook. This was after several days of boring but excellent behavior from the Hemingway with MB MB.

I'm guessing this ink will be just fine on any of the Clairefontaine variants...
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:40

I would think a 'soft ink' is one with some shading, vs a supersaturated one.

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.

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Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.