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Here we have a side by side of swabs and dip pen writing samples of several darker reds:

Noodler's Mandalay Maroon (V-Mail Series), Noodler's Ottoman Rose, Diamine Syrah, Diamine Oxblood, Noodler's Nikita, Diamine Red Dragon, and J. Herbin 1670.

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I truly have no need for a red, but that Oxblood is very tempting nonetheless.

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love red ink, the bloodier the better.

 

Diamine has done a great job with their lineup of reds, Monaco Red is my current fav.

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Thanks so much for this comparison! I have to laugh:

 

I just emailed Brian Goulet about a sample, because I've gotten the bug for ink mixing. I had tried the Herbin 1670, but in short order I came up with similar problems that others had reported: skipping, clogging, not starting, etc. It was *very* frustrating because there was just something about that ink I loved on the paper. And so...

 

... I got some samples of other reds, and I'm in the final stages of an ink mix that comes close enough that I'm not seeing the difference, with the possibility of less shading characteristics. When I've tried the one other 'wild card' to add to the mix, and have settled on a final formula, I'll post it to the ink mix thread.

 

Thanks again - I like your combinations of swabs and writing!

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I had tried the Herbin 1670, but in short order I came up with similar problems that others had reported: skipping, clogging, not starting, etc. It was *very* frustrating because there was just something about that ink I loved on the paper. And so...

 

Have you tried reporting this directly to J.Herbin? It's a very serious company (established under the Sun King). I would bet that they correct it and replace your bottle. A couple drops of some additive could revert the problem.

Everything is impermanent.

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Thanks for the comparison, Shaylen!!

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I had been using 1670 for my Christmas cards and was very happy. Until I read this. I uncapped my Safari and tried writing. Nothing. Scribbled, got some flow, lots of skipping. Damn! Had to turn the converter knob to let loose a blob of ink, and it started writing again. Too bad it's not perfect. Good thing it comes in such a small bottle. I guess I'm going back to Diamine Oxblood for my "everyday" red.

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Shaylen,

 

Great comparison. I'm interested in a dark red. Do you know which is the darkest...... Diamine Merlot, Syrah or Oxblood? Or are there any others even darker?

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Shaylen,

 

Great comparison. I'm interested in a dark red. Do you know which is the darkest...... Diamine Merlot, Syrah or Oxblood? Or are there any others even darker?

 

Syrah and Oxblood are both quite dark. Syrah is a dark purple red (burgundy), while Oxblood is a dark brown red (like dried blood).

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Excellent comparison, Shaylen. In my experience, Diamine's Oxblood is an exceptional ink in all respects. Looks terrific and is well behaved. A free-flowing dark red that is at home on white or ivory paper. Syrah performs similarly with a slight purplish tint. I'm looking forward to filling a pen with Monaco Red soon.

 

1670 is a stunner, but I too suffered from what I would classify as excessive nib and feed crud. Flow was okay as I used a Lamy Vista cartridge converter's fill exclusively and regularly until empty. If one stores the pen nib up and uses it regularly until empty, 1670 can be a very satisfying ink to write with. However, I would not pair it with a pen that isn't easy to thoroughly clean.

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Shaylen,

 

Great comparison. I'm interested in a dark red. Do you know which is the darkest...... Diamine Merlot, Syrah or Oxblood? Or are there any others even darker?

 

Syrah and Oxblood are both quite dark. Syrah is a dark purple red (burgundy), while Oxblood is a dark brown red (like dried blood).

 

I concur with this. I have not yet used Merlot. I'd say that Oxblood is probably a bit more saturated than Syrah. I actually prefer Red Dragon to Oxblood, as it is really close, but less brown; fresh blood as opposed to dried.

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I find Red Dragon to be a sort of dignified version of a bright red. What I mean is that its darkness gives it some seriousness in a non-markup situation, but under brighter lighting conditions it still comes through as a red red, not a brown red or burgundy. This is a little bit tantalizing when I'm in the mood for something more like Noodler's Nikita. Noodler's Ottoman Rose doesn't feel like a very "manly" color (:lol:), but I rather like it.

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How do any of them hold up to water?

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

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How do any of them hold up to water?

 

They pretty much don't.

"Be who you are and say what you feel; because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

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When I decided to get a deep red ink, I had quite a hard time choosing between Red Dragon, Syrah, and Oxblood. As much as I love J. Herbin's inks - having acquired 5 of them by then - I decided not to try 1670 - thanks to the mixed reviews.

 

I love Diamine Syrah, and strongly believe (so far) that I don't need another deep red. However, a side-by-side comparison like this is always helpful for future reference. You've done a very good job, Shaylen, as always. :thumbup: Thanks a million!

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You could also have a look at the "new" Diamines. Matator looks like it will be a red with a touch of brown. Merlot is another red wine colour. Wild Strawberry seems to be a deep red with a touch of purple.

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How do any of them hold up to water?

 

They pretty much don't.

 

DRAT.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I actually prefer Red Dragon to Oxblood, as it is really close, but less brown; fresh blood as opposed to dried.

 

 

 

I however, prefer Oxblood....because it is more brown, and more like dried blood as opposed to fresh :roflmho:

 

Great comparison by the way :thumbup:

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Very cool.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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