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Comparison : Montblanc Blue-Black 50Ml Bottle :: Cartridge


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Please take a moment to adjust your gear to accurately depict this Gray Scale.

As the patches are neutral gray, that is what should be seen.

Figure 1.

Gray Scale.

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Figure 2. Penstrokes.

Swabs were not used, rather down strokes ↓ from the Carene are shown, re-oriented to the horizontal.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/f9b73145.jpg

  • Top: MBBlBk 50ml bottle.
  • Bottom: MBBlBk cartridge.

Figure 3. Other Stuff

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  • Left Side: MBBlBk 50ml bottle.
  • Right Side: MBBlBk cartridge.

Written Samples - Moby Dick

 

Figure 4. Written Samples on HPJ1124

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  • Left Side: MBBlBk 50ml bottle.
  • Right Side: MBBlBk cartridge.

Figure 5. Written Samples on Rhodia

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/d99bb9a0.jpg

  • Left Side: MBBlBk 50ml bottle.
  • Right Side: MBBlBk cartridge.

Figure 6. Written Samples on G Lalo, Verge de France, white.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/7efb27b3.jpg

  • Left Side: MBBlBk 50ml bottle.
  • Right Side: MBBlBk cartridge.

Figure 7. Written Samples on Royal - 25% rag.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/040daf04.jpg

  • Left Side: MBBlBk 50ml bottle.
  • Right Side: MBBlBk cartridge.

High Resolution Scans

 

As I do not wish to be known as 'Queen of The Bandwidth Bandits', these are Links only.

 

  • Sheaffer 440 + F nib on HPJ1124:

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/th_c4409fad.jpg

  • Platinum Presidential Purist + B nib on Rhodia:

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  • Waterman Carene + Stub nib on G Lalo:

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/th_beae9f18.jpg

  • Platinum Presidential Purist + B nib on Royal:

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Montblanc%20Blue-Black%20Bottle%202%20Cartridge/th_1210956c.jpg

 

Observations:

 

  • These are the things which are not apparent from the Images.
  • These observations may differ ever so slightly from the Ink Review/s which may be in place.
  • My contribution was to generate enough reasonable samples, then capture the appearance of those samples.
  • If you'd like more detailed information, please send me a PM; I'll do what I can, within reason.
  • I leave it to each viewer to interpret what is seen, and/or to initiate discussion in the usual way.

Type:

  • MBBlBk in 50ml bottles is a combination of dye and iron-gall in an FP ink.
  • MBBlBk in cartridges is a dye-based FP ink.

Flow Rate:

  • Both inks are OK.
  • MBBlBk in cartridges is significantly wetter.

Nib Dry-out:

  • Both inks are OK.

Start-up:

  • Both inks are OK.

Lubrication:

  • Both inks are OK.
  • MBBlBk in cartridges is greater.

Nib Creeping:

  • None for both inks.

Staining:

  • None after 3 days for both inks.

Clogging:

  • Not seen for both inks.

Bleed Through:

  • None on papers used for both inks.

Show Through:

  • None on papers used for both inks.
  • Both sides of the sheet may be used.

Clean-up:

  • Both cleaned-up thoroughly with plain water.

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MATERIEL

 

Paper:

  • Written Samples:
    • HPJ1124
    • Rhodia
    • G Lalo, Verge de France, white.
    • Royal - 25% rag.

    [*]Other:

    • HPJ1124
    • Rhodia
    • Staples 20 lb.

Pens: http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/Pen_Scans/th_951522ef.jpg

  • Sheaffer 440 + steel F nib.
  • Platinum President Purist + 22K B nib.
  • Waterman Carene + 18K factory stub nib.

IMAGES:

  • Scans were made on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted.
  • Figures shown were scanned at 200 dpi & 24 bit colour.
  • Images linked were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour.
  • Scans went straight to Photobouquet.

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Fine Print:

The accuracy and relevance of this Comparison depends in great part upon consistency and reliability of materiél used. Ink does not require labelling/notice to indicate (changes in) formulation, non-hazardous ingredients, batch ID, date of manufacture, etc. As always, YMMV, not only from materials, methods, environment, etc., but also due to differences between the stuff in the bottles I used, and that in bottle/s you may have.

Also, I entrust readers to separate opinion from fact; and to evaluate inferences and conclusions as to their merit.

 

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Ahh, thanks a million. Good to hear everything about the physical properties like lubrication etc. But as to water testing and intensity/darkness... that's what I had already expected.

 

Mike :thumbup:

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Thanks Sandy1! I may have found the excuse I needed to make a trip into the local pen shop.

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Ahh, thanks a million. Good to hear everything about the physical properties like lubrication etc. But as to water testing and intensity/darkness... that's what I had already expected.

 

Mike :thumbup:

Hi,

 

You're most welcome.

 

It is somewhat re-assuring that there are no BIG surprises: the differences are subtle, and really don't show on a scan that I can make. Its what I referred to as the 'it' factor that i-g inks alone possess. That said, I think the ink boffins at Montblanc have done a stellar job!

 

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S1

The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

 

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Thanks Sandy1! I may have found the excuse I needed to make a trip into the local pen shop.

Hi,

 

You're welcome.

 

(Just don't blame me for the bill from your trip to your local Palace of Wonders!)

 

As always, I will be most interested to read about and see your experiences with these inks: the more input the merrier!

 

Bye,

S1

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Thank you, Sandy1!

 

Interesting, that the cartridge ink is wetter.

 

I'm trying to recall which ink I used in a journal from late Spring, Summer, 2004. I think it might have been the MbBlBlk cartridge, and the ink had already faded... let's see, I noticed... a couple of years ago.

 

There's a chance it might have been Pelikan BB cartridges, but I think it was Mb. Pretty sure.

 

Right now, as of a couple of hours ago, I have a Pelikan Toledo with a wet nib filled with the bottled Mb Midnight Blue. It's nice and saturated and definitely looks like a blue-black rather than a dark blue or a light black. I put a steel nib in the Toledo. I'm thinking that the caution against using iron-gall inks with steel nibs doesn't apply to modern pens.... In any case, I'm keeping an eye on it for trouble.

 

Thanks again for another informative and thorough ink review and comparison!

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Thanks for the comparison. I'm glad that you found the cartridges wetter than the iron-gall bottle version. I love Midnight Blue, but I do wish it were a little wetter.

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It's nice and saturated and definitely looks like a blue-black rather than a dark blue or a light black. > Don' ferget that MB's current "Midnight Blue" is the successor of their previous "blue-black".

 

I put a steel nib in the Toledo. I'm thinking that the caution against using iron-gall inks with steel nibs doesn't apply to modern pens.... > I've used lots of both in my M215 (with its original nib) . No harm seen yet!

 

Mike

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Thank you, Sandy1!

 

Interesting, that the cartridge ink is wetter.

 

I'm trying to recall which ink I used in a journal from late Spring, Summer, 2004. I think it might have been the MbBlBlk cartridge, and the ink had already faded... let's see, I noticed... a couple of years ago.

 

There's a chance it might have been Pelikan BB cartridges, but I think it was Mb. Pretty sure.

 

Right now, as of a couple of hours ago, I have a Pelikan Toledo with a wet nib filled with the bottled Mb Midnight Blue. It's nice and saturated and definitely looks like a blue-black rather than a dark blue or a light black. I put a steel nib in the Toledo. I'm thinking that the caution against using iron-gall inks with steel nibs doesn't apply to modern pens.... In any case, I'm keeping an eye on it for trouble.

 

Thanks again for another informative and thorough ink review and comparison!

Hi,

 

You're welcome!

 

I think that MB really did an outstanding job on these inks. I do consider them to be 'visual equivalents', yet they are not identical.

 

I am so used to the i-g Blue-Black & Midnight Blue that the dry feel of the i-g ink does not bother me at all. That said, I only use i-g inks with smooth nibs; and for personal writing I use widths M and greater.

 

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S1

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

 

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> Don' ferget that MB's current "Midnight Blue" is the successor of their previous "blue-black".

> I've used lots of both in my M215 (with its original nib) . No harm seen yet!

 

Mike

 

 

Yes, I remembered that, Mike -- thanks. Also, thanks for the reassurance about the steel nibs. I figure if the iron-gall gums up the nib, I can easily replace the steel nib, anyway, but I really, really, really like this one particular steel nib, so, ha ha ha, I don't want to mess it up.

 

Cheers!

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I am so used to the i-g Blue-Black & Midnight Blue that the dry feel of the i-g ink does not bother me at all. That said, I only use i-g inks with smooth nibs; and for personal writing I use widths M and greater.

 

Bye,

S1

 

 

I've tried the MbMB in a wet Stipula Vedo and now this Pelikan Toledo, which is a wet writer, so the MbMB is very nice with just enough shading to be interesting without crossing the line into show-off overwroughtness. The Pelikan steel F nib seems to be more of a F/M with a hint of stub (which is how it wrote when I tried it in the store and the reason I bought it) and very smooth.

 

I'm testing to see if I can enjoy reading a page written with this ink. I'm still partial to very saturated, dark, non-shading inks for my notebooks. I write small and close together, which, I think, lends itself to the non-shading, dark inks (and by "inks" I mean "black inks." Haa.).

 

Your reviews could easily be compiled into a book. Maybe with limited appeal (pen and ink enthusiasts), but still... I'm sayin'....

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