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#1 Sandy1

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 03:46

Please take a moment to adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict the Gray Scale linked below.
As the patches are neutral gray, their colour on your monitor should also be neutral gray.
Gray Scale.
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Figure 1.
Swabs & Swatch
Paper: HPJ1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
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Figure 2.
NIB-ism ✑
Paper: HPJ1124.
Depicts nibs' line-width and pens' relative wetness.
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Pens, L → R: Somiko, M200, C74, 330, Phileas & Sonnet.

WRITTEN SAMPLES: Moby Dick

Row Height is 8mm.

Figure 3.
Paper: HPJ1124.
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Figure 4.
Paper: Rhodia.
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Figure 5.
Paper: G Lalo, Verge de France, white.
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Figure 6.
Paper: Royal - 25% rag.
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Figure 7.
Grocery List
Paper: Pulp. One-a-Day calendar page.
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OTHER SAMPLES:

Figure 8.
Other Stuff:

'HAPPY!' on Glossy Card.
Smear/Dry Time on Glossy Paper.
Smear/Dry Time on HPJ1124.
Wet Tests on HPJ1124.

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GENERAL DESCRIPTION

Type:
  • Dye-based fountain pen ink.
Daily writer?
  • Easily.
A go-to ink?
  • Quite possible.

USE

Business:
  • An excellent choice.
  • Not a huge amount of gravitas, but MvBl is nimble and dynamic. (Please keep in mind this is Ms BlBk speaking.)
  • In the higher densities MvBl could be used for mark-up and editing.
  • Error correction and grading of assignments are beyond its scope.
  • Reasonable for all but the most severe internal or external correspondence, in which case a hand-written document may be a non-starter.
Illustrations / Graphics:
  • Just a bit of care is required.
  • If not astutely paired / contrasted with other inks, the hint of violet which animates and adds dimension to MvBl creates potential for imbalance.
  • MvBl should counterbalance Blues which are equally animated, yet lean into the cyan side of pure process Blue.
  • Line quality is very high indeed, so unless one is using hard textured papers, MvBl can be used with confidence for cross-hatching and instances requiring tight skinny lines, figures & labels.
Students:
  • Perhaps.
  • A fair choice for hand-written assignments: the lively mood may indicate a bright bulb in the murk of academia. (MvBl won't ghost write 4.0 papers.)
  • Lack of show- bleed-through on the the highly absorbent Royal and the run of the mill HPJ1124 indicate that MvBl will run well on 'lowest bidder' papers.
  • The lack of water resistance may deter the accident prone.
Personal:
  • No doubt.
  • MvBl has the animation for cheerful chatter.
  • Even at the darkest tone shown, the ink moves along at a comfortable brisk pace.
  • Could be used for pro forma writing, (but use the Lamy Green instead).
  • While easy on the eye, I wouldn't write a wee note of more than eight or ten A4 pages with a wide nib.
  • Shaped nibs are certainly welcome, but MvBl is a shading ink, so those two elements combined may be distracting / jumbled. If used, wide Italic nibs may well benefit from increasing the line spacing.
  • For billet doux, one really should have an alternate on hand, but MvBl would suit cute notes.

PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE & CHARACTERISTICS

Flow Rate:
  • Modest, if not just a bit lean.
Nib Dry-out:
  • Not seen.
Start-up:
  • Prompt.
Lubrication:
  • Good.
  • MvBl will not conceal scritchy scratchy nibs, but just a bit more would be welcome when using narrow nibs on hard textured paper. (Nothing new there.)
Nib Creepers:
  • Extinct.
Staining:
  • None after 3 days.
Clogging:
  • Not seen.
  • Seems unlikely given the modest saturation.
Bleed Through:
  • Not seen.
Show Through:
  • Not seen.
Feathering / Woolly Line:
  • Not seen.
Smear/Dry Time:
  • Glossy paper - 2-5 seconds.
  • HPJ1124 - 15 - 20 seconds.
  • YMMV. Kindly run samples that reflect your materials and requirements.
Water Resistance: ☂

-1- on the 4S Scale:

"Some inky artifacts remain as evidence of activity, but no words legible.
Recycle."

Smell:
  • Not apparent from a cartridge.
Hand oil sensitivity:
  • Slight.
  • (Also watch for hand sanitiser residue.)
Clean Up:
  • Extremely fast & thorough with plain water.
Mixing:
  • No stated prohibition.
Archival:*
  • Not claimed.

* At the time of writing, one ink is claimed to be permanent by virtue of compliance with an ISO standard for BP inks. That ink is not MvBl.


THE LOOK

Presence:
  • Comfortable.
  • Confident.
  • One eyebrow cocked.
  • Somehow minds me of a Cambodian dyed silk blouse - a certain lustre lurks.

Saturation:
  • Modest.
Shading:
  • Subtle, pervasive, attractive.
  • On smooth papers, all nib-widths generated shading of a sort. :thumbup:
Variability:
  • Pen+nib combos used:
    • Just a bit more than expected.
  • Papers used:
    • Less than anticipated.
  • Malleability:
    • As MvBl is fairly constant across a range of papers, it is a strong contender for a 'personal/signature' daily writer ink.
    • While it is evident that an 8mm row height is fine for yours truly, (just pretend OK?), somehow MvBl strikes me as really well suited to a smaller hand - perhaps those who are comfortable with 6mm row height.

Hi-Res Scans:

  • Somiko on HPJ1124 Posted Image
  • C74 on Rhodia Posted Image
  • Phileas on G Lalo Posted Image
  • Sonnet on Royal Posted Image

FIDELITY

Is the name appropriate?
  • Yes.
  • The box says 'Monteverde'; the ink is 'Blue'. Simple, yes?
Are swatches accurate?
:ltcapd::roflmho::ltcapd:

SIMILAR COLOURS:
  • Too many to recall or list.

Try this in the privacy of your own home:
  • In twenty seconds - name the usual suspects which surround MvBl in the 3-stage swabs below. (Consenting adults only please.)
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PAPERS

Lovely papers:
  • Whites of course; smooth glowing expanses of white.
Trip-wire Papers:

☠ Anything harder and/or more ink resistant than G Lalo.
☠ Dirty whites.

Tinted Papers:
  • Most reasonable tints.
  • MvBl is not opaque or heavily saturated, so the colour of the paper will combine with MvBl.
Preprinted Papers:
  • Forms:
    • Will be OK on forms - no fussing about.
    • Comes forward very slightly, so is easily read.
  • For charts & graphs:
    • Good pick.
Is high-end paper 'worth it'?
  • Not really.
  • HPJ1124 is fine, just fine.
  • A matter of preference over performance.

OTHER THAN INK

Presentation :
  • Eight long (magnum) cartridges in a box.
  • No HazMat warnings.
Origin:
  • Somewhere in the wilds of Europe.
  • Packaged in USA.
Container:
  • Long international cartridge.
Box:
  • 52x80x8mm
  • Heavily coated card stock.
  • An adhesive dot masquerades as a swatch. Tsk! . . . Tsk
  • Ink colour name is printed on the UPC label affixed to the back of box.
Eco-Green:
  • Daft. (When faced with temptation, my resolve not to use cartridges unless required simply sublimated.)
  • All should be recyclable or benign.

Availability:
  • Increasing.
  • Also in bottles of 90ml, about 3 oz. by weight.

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Majik:
  • Shows potential.
  • Likely to be subtle and floating.
Personal Pen & Paper Pick:
  • The 330 on the HPJ1124 nudged-out the C74, a perennial favourite.
Yickity Yackity:
  • There seems to be something new about this ink, but I find it difficult to pin down and describe. I really doubt that such a nuance will be evident from the scans. Indeed, that indescribable 'something' may be just the thing that makes the ink seem new.
  • Having only a few cartridges, I will be squeezed to decide for-against a bottle fairly soon. (I'm sure you know the answer to that one!)
  • Ah kushbaby, I don't think this is one to order immediately, but the next time a pot of your Blue ink runs dry, and the strains of Bach float away on the breeze come sun-up, give Monteverde Blue a fair go - it certainly won't disappoint.

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MATERIEL USED

To be relevant to most members, I make an effort to use papers, pens & nibs that are readily available. Pens are those for which I paid $100 or less, and are factory stock - not customised.
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Pens:
  • Written Samples:

A. Sailor Somiko + TIGP F nib.
B. Pelikan M200 + g-p steel EF nib.
C. Pilot Custom 74 + 14K SFM nib.
D. Sheaffer 330 + steel M nib.
E. Waterman Phileas + steel B nib.
F. Parker Sonnet + 18K stock Italic nib.
Cost exceeds $100.

  • For lines & labels:

Pilot 'Lady' + H882 g-p steel nib.


On these papers:
  • HPJ1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
  • Rhodia.
  • G Lalo, Verge de France, white.
  • Royal - 25% cotton rag.
  • Pulp.
  • Glossy paper.
  • Glossy card.
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IMAGES:
  • Scans were made on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted.
  • Figures shown were scanned at resolutions up to 150 dpi & 24 bit colour.
  • Images linked were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour.
  • Scans were not adjusted, so went straight to the file sharing thingy.

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Edited by Sandy1, 22 December 2010 - 03:56.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 04:28

I'm trying to figure out where all the Monteverde linuep came from. One day it wasn't there, and the next day, with no fanfare or heavy promotion here at FPN, it showed up I think at Art Browns. It's like an artist in the sky just plopped down a whole new line of ink. As your review says and demonstrates, I enjoy this line a lot....certainly much more than the new Edelstein lineup. IMHO, their inks have a certain gravitas that has been missing except in a few brands.
With the new FPN rules, now I REALLY don't know what to put in my signature.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 05:26

I'm trying to figure out where all the Monteverde linuep came from. One day it wasn't there, and the next day, with no fanfare or heavy promotion here at FPN, it showed up I think at Art Browns. It's like an artist in the sky just plopped down a whole new line of ink. As your review says and demonstrates, I enjoy this line a lot....certainly much more than the new Edelstein lineup. IMHO, their inks have a certain gravitas that has been missing except in a few brands.

OMG! Someone I know has been staring at swabs & scans a bit too long, yes?

FPN member, terim, posted here: http://www.fountainp...ost__p__1782063

And the bottles are a whopping 90ml. As big as ... ah .. umm .. err .. 3x Herbin, oui?

But - - if it gets any better, I'll eat my oars be surprised!

(Please let us not get sidetracked by economics. The price-sticker is not a colour patch: it is outside the box / bottle / cartridge, hence beyond the Scope of an IR. I mean, my degrees are not in economics, and some folks think my IRs are a bit OTT now, so I am disinclined to expand the template to include another heading. And then I really would need to post a warning about 'May cause loss of consciousness ...')

After both Edelstein and Gate City Everflo™ lines omitted a Brown ink, (Tsk Tsk), and the Wancher Brown has a Smear/Dry Time issue, I welcomed the Monteverde line - with that appealing Brown. And now this Blue.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:49

Sandy, I always enjoy your reviews. For me, they become the "final word" on an ink before I will purchase.

Very thorough as usual.

Looks like a good, dependable blue ink.

Other then the brown and blue, have you sampled any of the other colors MonteVerde is now offering?

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 19:13

Thank you for taking the time to do all these thorough reviews. There are few FPN members that have a similar contribution to yours on this forum. Off topic, the ISO standard archival ink is De Atramentis WS 8, right?
Thank you!
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 20:13

Sandy, I always enjoy your reviews. For me, they become the "final word" on an ink before I will purchase.

Very thorough as usual.

Looks like a good, dependable blue ink.

Other then the brown and blue, have you sampled any of the other colors MonteVerde is now offering?

Hi,

I'm glad you enjoy the IRs. As for a "final word", well, lots of people have lots to say, and I'm always interested in the IRs posted by other members - both before and after my IR.

All the written samples are generated in attempt to give a reader an idea about what sort of pen & paper they might use with a given ink. Or simply decide they do not care for some aspect of an ink, then keep looking. Other members will certainly depict an ink differently than I: paper, pen, nibs, much better penmanship, etc. And they will see things differently and express them differently. I think this is a huge benefit to FPN: members who contribute and participate at whatever level they choose.

As to the other Monteverde offerings: indeed, I do have one more, but I seem to have my hands full at present, so that'll have to wait. Believe me - it won't be 'the one that got away'. I have a swab of it in my bag, which I extract to inspect. People might think I'm reading a list or mantra or some such, but its three rows of the same colour at different densities. No one has struck-up a conversation upon seeing the swabs. (?)
So - swabs are not guy magnets. Ah me.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 02:22

So is this one not "one of the ten blues"??
Pelikan M605, Blue Demo M205, Red M205 * Parker Frontier, 45, Sonnet, Duofold * Waterman Expert II, Phileas * Cross Century II, Solo, Matrix * Sheaffer Statesman, Touchdown

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 06:26

So is this one not "one of the ten blues"??

Hi,

I'm afraid not. (It's too new and not sufficiently well-known.) However, you ma y notice that I've included a few of the same pens & papers, so level-field Comparisons can still be done as needs be.)

The one of the ten is having some trouble: this new idea about locking all OPs after 30 days without a reply / continuation of the thread has wreaked havoc on the series set-up.
(I'm pouting.) Not beyond salvage I hope, but it won't be as seamless and user friendly as I envisioned: with all comparisons and reviews nicely linked. (To avoid bandwidth banditry, I post at a reserved pace. So even if I have stuff on-the-hook, ready to post, I must hang back.)

The latest IR for the series was the Noodler's Ottoman Azure.
And all those comparisons!! Crikey!!! Who's idea was that????? (Mine of course.) Not exactly a fast-moving, spell-binding, thrill-a-minute endevour. (Or is it?)

I do like to review a few of inks from new product lines, just so I can see for myself and convey to others what's new. (Diamine ASA Blue & Twilight, one from Fabriano, a few of the new-to-me Japanese 'Wancher' inks, the Gate City Evenflo Orchid, Edelstein Topaz and a few from Monteverde. Also my latest attraction to Browns has me running a One Of The Eleven series. (OMG!) I'd be doing the Written Samples for myself anyway, so I just cobble together all the bits to make an IR. (I do like to share!)

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 06:49

Thank you for taking the time to do all these thorough reviews. There are few FPN members that have a similar contribution to yours on this forum. Off topic, the ISO standard archival ink is De Atramentis WS 8, right?
Thank you!
Mihai


Hi,

You're welcome!

The ink that is claimed to comply with the ISO standard for BP 'Document' Inks is the 'Document Ink from DeAtramentis. I do not know the DeAtramentis product code.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 13:46

A quick check does indeed show De Atramentis Document Ink as ISO 12757-2 compliant. But it's also a whopping $35 (Art Brown), so it's also a serious investment! The FPN index indicates it has not been reviewed yet.
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Posted 23 December 2010 - 18:08

Hi S1,

How would you rank this ink in line quality next to asa-gao? Is the color of Monty Blue very close in similarity to any other ink you've reviewed?

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 20:03

A quick check does indeed show De Atramentis Document Ink as ISO 12757-2 compliant. But it's also a whopping $35 (Art Brown), so it's also a serious investment! The FPN index indicates it has not been reviewed yet.


Eeeek!

And - its Black! EeeeK!! EEeeek!!!

for that much dosh, one could just get a hammer & chisel and start carving words worth remembering into stone tablets. (That would dissuade long-winded documents, yes?)

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 20:28

I'm trying to figure out where all the Monteverde linuep came from. One day it wasn't there, and the next day, with no fanfare or heavy promotion here at FPN, it showed up I think at Art Browns. It's like an artist in the sky just plopped down a whole new line of ink. As your review says and demonstrates, I enjoy this line a lot....certainly much more than the new Edelstein lineup. IMHO, their inks have a certain gravitas that has been missing except in a few brands.

Sam, there was a little bit of press a year ago (think I saw something in Pen World) and considering their line of roller/biro refills, one would expect some fountain pen inks. Overall, though, we normally see far more fanfare for new ink. Monteverde did seem to fall from the sky on us...which means now I'll have to snag a few bottles.

Thanks for the intro to the lineup, Sandy.

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 09:56

Hi S1,

How would you rank this ink in line quality next to asa-gao? Is the color of Monty Blue very close in similarity to any other ink you've reviewed?

Hi,

Both Pilot asa-gao and MvBl have wonderful line quality. I think this is one of the aspects of MvBl which appeals to me: it is 'crisp' on the page. But Pa-g and MvBl are very different in terms of line: MvBl has the very attractive shading, Pa-g not so much. So the ability of MvBl to hold a crisp line while the amount of ink (density) is changing is very desirable - it is not uncommon for a shading ink to exhibit a plump/woolly line when the amount of ink flowing from the nib becomes high (peaks). I think this combination of a crisp line with attractive shading generates an intriguing total package.

So:

On the Left is Pa-g, to the Right is MvBl.
Both from the Sheaffer 330 + steel M nib on Rhodia.


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As for the colour, well, its Blue. Nothing tremendously unique - not the next Parker Penman Sapphire, Noodler's Baystate Blue, or Pa-g.

The (unlabelled) swabs in the IR proper show how normal MvBl appears in terms of colour. The key to the swabs is in the Review text - the period '.' at the end of the sentence. But just click here.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 14:23

S1, Thanks for the comparison. I have three Pilot Iro inks (tsuki-yo, kon-peki, and tsuyu-kusa), which are fabulous, but occasionally I would like to use an ink with more shading. So I ordered a bottle of Monty Blue, which arrived in yesterday's mail. Will report back my impressions ...

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 04:30

Greetings Sandy,

I'm curious about your cartridges of Monteverde Blue. Your report findings indicate that the flow was only so/so, as was the lubrication for the most part. Is this the NEW Monteverde ink with "ITF"? The reason I ask is because you do not mention "ITF" anywhere in your review and I would expect an "ITF" enriched ink to yield better flow and lubrication results than you seem to have experienced. :huh:

Monteverde's claims sound a lot like Parker's claims for Solv-X when they introduced it in 1943. I just purchased a 3 oz. BOTTLE of Monteverde Blue-Black with ITF from Peyton Street Pens today; I'm anxious to get it and try it out. :puddle:

All the best,

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:35

Greetings Sandy,

I'm curious about your cartridges of Monteverde Blue. Your report findings indicate that the flow was only so/so, as was the lubrication for the most part. Is this the NEW Monteverde ink with "ITF"? The reason I ask is because you do not mention "ITF" anywhere in your review and I would expect an "ITF" enriched ink to yield better flow and lubrication results than you seem to have experienced. :huh:

Monteverde's claims sound a lot like Parker's claims for Solv-X when they introduced it in 1943. I just purchased a 3 oz. BOTTLE of Monteverde Blue-Black with ITF from Peyton Street Pens today; I'm anxious to get it and try it out. :puddle:

All the best,

Sean :)

Hello,

My Review states, "Flow Rate: Modest, if not just a bit lean."

'Flow Rate' or 'Wetness' is a property difficult to describe. It is relative only to other inks - there is no accepted means to quantify that property, though I have touched on possibilities elsewhere. So I chose 'Modest', to indicate that it is not likely to embarrass the practitioner by coarse manners / bad performance (bleed- show-through, feathering, etc. on run-of-the-mill papers).

In relative terms, the flow rate would be greater than Pelikan Royal Blue; quite similar to Waterman Florida Blue; and less than Visconti Blue.

I stated that Lubrication is "Good" - not 'so so'. Good is better than average, 'so so' is rather less than average.
I would put the Lubrication on par with Waterman Florida Blue; and far greater than Herbin EdS; and less than Visconti Blue.

I would say that the Monteverde Blue is not a disappointment in those areas you mention. Many other inks, which do not claim some special ingredient, perform perfectly well.

The box of cartridges does not mention 'ITF'.

I do a fair amount of hand-writing - scribbling, doodling, drawing, etc. I've used Quink BlBk with SOLV-X [ LINK ] for years as my daily writer ink, (exceptions being when I am in the field which may require a water resistant ink in a second pen).
The daily writer has not encountered a single operational problem - totally reliable, and runs without acting up. I reckon other Members could say the same about their daily writer+ink combos.

The topic of SOLV-X surfaces from time-to-time. I choose to write more about bottle cap liners than a defunct ink ingredient.

IMHO, the positive effects of SOLV-X (and the Montblanc 'SC21') are likely carried forward in current inks without proclaiming their presence.

I hope the ink your bottle of Blue-Black does not look the same as the ink in these cartridges of Blue.

I look forward to your Review of the BlBk.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 14:17

I stated that Lubrication is "Good" - not 'so so'. Good is better than average, 'so so' is rather less than average.
I would put the Lubrication on par with Waterman Florida Blue; and far greater than Herbin EdS; and less than Visconti Blue.

The box of cartridges does not mention 'ITF'.


Hello Sandy,

Please know that when I said "so/so," I was paraphrasing my interpretation of what you said- it was not meant to be a verbatim quote of what you said in your report. When I read "modest, if not a bit lean," for flow; I perceived that as "so/so." I clarified lumping lubrication in the same phrase by saying "for the most part" because I expected better than "Good" if these inks had ITF in them.

It is comforting to know that the cartridges you used do not indicate your ink contained ITF; because frankly, I'm hoping for better results from the blue-black I have coming. In regards to Solv-X; the fact that you've used it for years with no problems whatsoever says something for Solv-X that a few other ink manufacturers wish they could say about their own inks. ;)

I'll tell you what I will do- when I get the blue-black with ITF, I'll send you a sample if you like and then you can compare the blue w/o ITF to the blue-black with ITF and see if you find any differences between them. Just LMK.

All the best,

Sean :)

* Edit, added ink offer sentence.

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 04:10

After using Monty Blue for a couple of weeks, here are a few observations to add to Sandy1's review. Papers used were Clairefontaine (my daily writing stock), Ampad double gold, Staples bagasse, and Staples ARC. Pens: Montblanc Classic with medium nib, Lamy Artus with medium-to-fine nib, and (vintage) Aurora 88 with fine nib.

* Indeed, this ink produces a tight line.

* Monteverde claims that its ink contains "the world's latest leading ink treatment formula (ITF) which drastically improves ink-flow quality, extends cap-off time, and lubricates and protects the ink feeding systems from corrosion and clogging." From my modest experience with this ink, all of that is probably true. But, OK, but how does the damn stuff write? On a very smooth, less porous paper like Clairefontaine, expect lengthy drying times. Better results were obtained from the Staples ARC, although there was a mere hint of bleedthrough. Best bet: look for a good quality paper that is not glassy smooth like the CF. The right match of paper with this ink should result in a terrific value ($10.50 for 90ml at PSP).

* If you are looking for a dark blue that does not display purple or teal/turquoise tones, this is your ink.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:47

I snagged a couple small bottles of pre-ITF Monteverde Blue a few days ago, and my limited experience seems to be spot-on with Sandy1's review. Her prediction that the ink would be well-behaved on cheap paper was also correct; on cheapo Mead 5 Star paper there is only the slightest hint of feathering and only an occasional bit of slight bleedthrough, though nothing major. This is with a middle-of-the-road wet Esterbrook #9968 broad.

Hopefully the addition of ITF - whatever that is - doesn't mess up what was already a quite nice ink.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 05:12

I snagged a couple small bottles of pre-ITF Monteverde Blue a few days ago, and my limited experience seems to be spot-on with Sandy1's review. Her prediction that the ink would be well-behaved on cheap paper was also correct; on cheapo Mead 5 Star paper there is only the slightest hint of feathering and only an occasional bit of slight bleedthrough, though nothing major. This is with a middle-of-the-road wet Esterbrook #9968 broad.

Hopefully the addition of ITF - whatever that is - doesn't mess up what was already a quite nice ink.

Hi,

I'm glad that your results are in tune with mine. (So far!) :thumbup:

I'm not so interested in a stakeholder's claim about an ink. SOLV-X, SC21 or ITF are just alphabet soup to me. I prefer to run the samples and see the results. As our dear S.P. Colfer mentioned that some of the claimed benefits would accrue over time. I'm reluctant to dedicate pen/s to Monteverde ink/s to determine the veracity of that claim!

Your remark, "
Hopefully the addition of ITF - whatever that is - doesn't mess up what was already a quite nice ink." may have happened! The bottled Monteverde Turquoise was rather finicky about the paper. But I'll not run comparisons of bottled :: cartridge.

Maybe its worth a query to a Retailer / Distributor??

Perhaps better pursued in the Inky Thoughts Forum?

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:38

I definitely have the new version containing ITF. I like the bottle and the price, but not the ink. I think the blue color lacks depth and disappoints. My bottle does not produce the true blue color i see in this review on my laptop monitor. As for fantastic performance and high tech lubricity compared to Parker Quink it is far inferior and the advertised claims seem overstated. It is interesting to note that you can not even get it to adhere to a dip pen nib! Waterman or Noodler blue both by comparison excel in color. Overall, the new lubricated inks that i have tried (Monteverde and Noodler) may be great for my pens, but i will be counting on Parker Quink, Waterman, and Sheaffer Skrip for my future purchases and daily writing. i think the lubrication or lubricity is an important issue, but it seems smoothness and viscosity at the nib to paper interface is the characteristic I find more desirable. all testing i have done is with 3 Sheaffer Triumph nibs (imperial 2 & 3 & Snorkel and Schmidt Iridium two tone pen kit Nibs). The Snorkel writes smooth and silky with Quink and totally disappoints with Monteverde. Either another pen loves this stuff or it will last forever.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 11:23

I definitely have the new version containing ITF. I like the bottle and the price, but not the ink. I think the blue color lacks depth and disappoints. My bottle does not produce the true blue color i see in this review on my laptop monitor. As for fantastic performance and high tech lubricity compared to Parker Quink it is far inferior and the advertised claims seem overstated. It is interesting to note that you can not even get it to adhere to a dip pen nib! Waterman or Noodler blue both by comparison excel in color. Overall, the new lubricated inks that i have tried (Monteverde and Noodler) may be great for my pens, but i will be counting on Parker Quink, Waterman, and Sheaffer Skrip for my future purchases and daily writing. i think the lubrication or lubricity is an important issue, but it seems smoothness and viscosity at the nib to paper interface is the characteristic I find more desirable. all testing i have done is with 3 Sheaffer Triumph nibs (imperial 2 & 3 & Snorkel and Schmidt Iridium two tone pen kit Nibs). The Snorkel writes smooth and silky with Quink and totally disappoints with Monteverde. Either another pen loves this stuff or it will last forever.


Hi,

Many thanks for contributing your impressions of the bottled ink with ITF - especially as it does not compare favourably to the ink used for the review.
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It appears that the inclusion of ITF is meant to promote flow, so lack of adhesion to dip pen nibs may be taken as an indicator that it does have good flow - a desirable feature in an FP. Yet as you are not achieving the same appearance, "I think the blue color lacks depth and disappoints.", it may be the dye-load on the paper is lower. (?)

As was mentioned in Post 21, the bottled Monteverde Turquoise ink with ITF was "was rather finicky about the paper". That Review includes expended sampling due to anomalous results. LINK

Based on your experience with the bottled Blue, if one is considering purchase of such ink, then it may be prudent to also read the review of the Monteverde Turquoise. (Unfortunately too late for you.)

I tend to agree that other more-established brands you mention have proven themselves over time, and are widely used so-as to become standards against which other inks are compared. (My daily writer ink is a Parker Quink.)

As for colour comparison, though it was purposely concealed in the review, the swabs shown are
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  • Caran d'Ache Blue Sky
  • Monteverde Blue
  • Waterman Florida Blue (Serenity?)
  • Private Reserve American Blue
  • Monteverde Blue
  • Noodler's Blue
Swabs show only colour, and are inherently flaky so far as density, etc. are concerned; and give no indication as to an ink's behaviour from an FP.

I think the nibs on the pens you are using are typically excellent, (certainly amongst my favourites), and the feeds are well-matched to the nibs. The Sheaffer 330 used in the review has an inlaid nib, with the upswept 'Waverly' shape.

Please let us know if you achieve satisfactory results on different paper/s; if not, then hopefully Monteverde Blue can be salvaged through mixing.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 00:58

Thanks for putting my reply in perfect context with the original ink review sandy1! i greatly appreciate your suggestions.

I am a rookie and so have been very careful not to mix any of my inks to avoid contaminating them...a great feature of the touchdown fillers is their ability to add ink without expelling any old ink from the pen into the supply bottle. So this idea to intermix is scary in that it risks both the good and the bad ink, but it fascinates my Dutch upbringing to think of using the non-favorites by intermixing and thereby at least get some use from them. Now that I think of it, I suppose we could even mix ink brands in the pen?

Are there any known ingredients or brands that do not mix successfully??

I have not seen any of a wide variety of papers from max brightness 24 lb inkjet to copier to letterhead with high cotton content wherein the color of the MV improves, but I will try a few more and let you know.

Do you use Quink in the Washable blue??? The Parker black seems to be a gold standard amongst inks...does another brand hold this distinction for the blue inks?? I use blue exclusively so that when I see black, I know it is a copy. I sure wish you could buy ink, especially blue ink without driving 75 miles or ordering online.

I find the triumph nibs write most like a modern ballpoint or rollerball...and i really enjoy using them...it is fun to note that the inlay nibs followed these within the Imperial line...i find them to be quite wet and very unlike modern gel ink and ball writing characteristics.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:02

never heard about this ink, but it looks very promising :thumbup: thanks for the review
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:27

Thanks for putting my reply in perfect context with the original ink review sandy1! i greatly appreciate your suggestions.

I am a rookie and so have been very careful not to mix any of my inks to avoid contaminating them...a great feature of the touchdown fillers is their ability to add ink without expelling any old ink from the pen into the supply bottle. So this idea to intermix is scary in that it risks both the good and the bad ink, but it fascinates my Dutch upbringing to think of using the non-favorites by intermixing and thereby at least get some use from them. Now that I think of it, I suppose we could even mix ink brands in the pen?

Are there any known ingredients or brands that do not mix successfully??

I have not seen any of a wide variety of papers from max brightness 24 lb inkjet to copier to letterhead with high cotton content wherein the color of the MV improves, but I will try a few more and let you know.

Do you use Quink in the Washable blue??? The Parker black seems to be a gold standard amongst inks...does another brand hold this distinction for the blue inks?? I use blue exclusively so that when I see black, I know it is a copy. I sure wish you could buy ink, especially blue ink without driving 75 miles or ordering online.

I find the triumph nibs write most like a modern ballpoint or rollerball...and i really enjoy using them...it is fun to note that the inlay nibs followed these within the Imperial line...i find them to be quite wet and very unlike modern gel ink and ball writing characteristics.


Hi,

You're welcome!

Thanks for letting us know about the paper. If the common copy paper doesn't give you a darker tone, then mixing is likely the best way to salvage the MvBl.

Please do not mix the ink in the pen! :o

There are two basic reasons for that caution: you cannot repeat the result; and if there is a problem with the mix, your pen may need a serious cleaning / repair.

There are some inks that create an unusable result when mixed.

For mixing, use small glass containers (dappen dishes, shot glasses, etc.), let the mix sit for a few hours, then load into a very clean pen. The Ink Thoughts Forum has a pinned topic on mixing; and there are many threads on that topic. Do not fear - it is most often quite safe indeed - but do be aware of the risks.

I use the Parker Blue-Black with SOL-X - which is discontinued. I was unaware that Parker Black was so highly regarded, but I do not use Black FP ink.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:30

never heard about this ink, but it looks very promising :thumbup: thanks for the review


Hi,

You're welcome!

As the ink is made in Europe, I thought it might be available there. Please let us know if you see any of this brand 'in the wild'.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:37

COMPARISONS : COMPARISONS : COMPARISONS

Hi all,

This ink, Monteverde Blue in cartridges, is included in the '11 2 20' series of Blue inks, so somewhat 'level field' comparisons can be made to the other Blue inks that I have reviewed. LINK

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:54

Hi Sandy, I have had a bottle of this ink for quite a while but didn't try it until recently, when I put it into a TWSBI Micarta. I really like it. Now, having read your review (exhaustive and excellent, as always :thumbup:), I agree with your conclusions. This is a very nice medium blue ink.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:40

Hi Sandy, I have had a bottle of this ink for quite a while but didn't try it until recently, when I put it into a TWSBI Micarta. I really like it. Now, having read your review (exhaustive and excellent, as always :thumbup:), I agree with your conclusions. This is a very nice medium blue ink.

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Hi,

Many thanks for your kind words!

I appreciate your comments & sample of the ink, especially as this brand is a relative newcomer into the Mid-Blue arena, which at times seems a bit overcrowded.

Have you noticed any aspect of the ink that sets it apart - some sort of distinguishing characteristic?

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