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#1 geoduc

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 18:55

There aren't many reviews for this ink so I thought I'd add another one. I picked this up about a month ago and have been pleasantly surprised; it has exceeded my expectations. I would classify Verde Muschiato as a golden olive green color. I honestly didn't expect to like it as much as I do – I was mainly just looking for a color in this class to fill out my spectrum. The nice color, shading, and behavior of this ink have quickly moved it onto my top tier.
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Writing samples:
The following samples were written with a variety of pens chosen to show the ink with different nib widths and wetness. As with most inks in my experience, the broader nibs show off the colors better but even the relatively narrow Sailor medium lets the color of this ink come through. Writing excerpts are from the short story, "Repent, Harlequin!" said the Ticktockman, by Harlan Ellison.

Here are samples on Rhodia 90gsm paper. Please pardon the labored handwriting. I've been working to improve my cursive and need to overcome a lot of years of muscle memory to move away from my natural small, fast and mostly indecipherable handwriting:

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And here is a sample on Midori paper (this is a Japanese paper that has a nice off-white color, and is a joy to write on):

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Behavior:
Flow: Not too wet, not too dry. The Conway Stewart is one of my wetter nibs and the flow was well controlled in that pen.
Lubrication: Good lubrication with all the nibs I've tried.
Saturation: Moderate – I prefer inks that aren't overly saturated and this one fits nicely.
Feathering: None on good paper, moderate on cheap copy paper.
Showthrough: None on good paper, slight on cheap copy paper
Bleedthrough: None on any paper I've tried.
Smear: None once dry.
Shading: Can be dramatic with the right nib/paper combination.

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Dry time: Very good, sample below is on Rhodia paper. Any ink that dries in less than 15 seconds on Rhodia is a winner in my book.

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Water resistance: Most of the color is gone, but writing is still legible after a 15 minute soak in a sink full of tapwater.

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Other:
The going rate for this ink in the U.S. is about $19 per bottle (I purchased mine from Swisher Pens). Seems expensive, but that price is for a 70ml bottle – more than twice the volume of typical J. Herbin inks .
The bottle is cylindrical with a diameter of 53mm, a height of 90mm, and an opening diameter of 25mm. The bottle is dark brown glass and thus it can be hard to see the ink level when filling your pen.
I don't have any similar colors, but the scans of Rohrer & Klingner Alt Goldgrun look pretty close. It would be interesting to see the two inks side by side.

Conclusion:
If you are interested in an ink in this color range, I would highly recommend Verde Muschiato. The behavior characteristics and shading possibilities are excellent. I haven't tried any of the other Stipula inks so I don't know if they all behave the same. I hope so.

#2 WillSW

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 19:02

I just acquired a bottle of this ink after having received a few letters written with it, and I agree with everything you've said. If you like Lie de The, Alt Goldgrun, or Brooklyn Brawn, you'll love this ink. It's a bit darker than Alt Goldgrun - I think I have a little left of an old sample and can do a scan in a few days. The dry time is especially nice - I've been using it in a Noodler's flex nib and I don't have to wait so long before I write on the back of the page.

Great review, thanks.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 19:19

I ordered this ink a few days ago and expect it to arrive soon. This is such a nice review, thanks! I've seen this ink once in person, and it looked much darker than your scans, but I think it was in a really wet pen. I'm actually pleasantly surprised if this ink is indeed as light as in this review.

Now I really can't wait to get my bottle!
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 20:00

Excellent review. I forgot I had this ink! Your review reminds me why I love it; a pen will be filled with it today. Well done.
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 22:43

Excellent review of a lovely ink. It's one of my favourites. It writes this colour for me too, Iranna, so unless you use a very wet pen you should have the same result.

Edited by karinh, 05 December 2010 - 22:45.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 23:35

Good review, thanks.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 00:59

This is one of my favourite greens, together with MB Racing Green and Private Reserve Sherwood Green, very different greens for different uses. I love the way it shades and the excellent flow. The effect on flexible nibs is amazing. It is a fantastic ink. Mine looks exactly as I see in your writing samples, on my monitor that is.
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 03:37

Great review, thanks!

I'm not sure I've ever seen highlights quite that green in mine. The Churchill sample is the one that most closely resembles what I see, and the highlights tend toward brown/khaki rather than green. I'll have to dig out a drier pen and see if I can get that cool green going.

Also, in my experience, Verde Muschiato is much darker than Alt Goldgrün.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 06:12

Thanks for all of the kind comments; I appreciate the feedback.


I'm not sure I've ever seen highlights quite that green in mine. The Churchill sample is the one that most closely resembles what I see, and the highlights tend toward brown/khaki rather than green. I'll have to dig out a drier pen and see if I can get that cool green going.

Also, in my experience, Verde Muschiato is much darker than Alt Goldgrün.

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The green is definitely there in all three samples, but the Danitrio stub is the one that shows it best. I think the ink would be a lot less interesting if it were just a brown/khaki color.

Good to know about the difference with Alt Goldgrun. Thanks to you and WillSW for providing that information.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 21:30

Awesome review.:thumbup:

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 02:53

The Midori paper sample is incredible...
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Posted 07 December 2010 - 18:54

That colour looks terrific, thank you for the review!

I've been looking for a brass/bronze colour ink, and this one looks like it might fit the bill.

Lovely shading, too! :puddle:

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 00:43

Wow, what a gorgeous color! Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:59

What an interesting ink! Great, thorough review and I think this is an ink I'm going to have to seek out.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:49

I think this would look lovely in my Pelikan Honey. I have wanted this ink for a while. Thanks for the reminder...I think.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:50

I acquired mine through melpens. High shipping for two bottles of ink. BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY. This is one of my most favorite inks. maybe the most favored.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 20:21

I acquired mine through melpens. High shipping for two bottles of ink. BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY. This is one of my most favorite inks. maybe the most favored.
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melpens used to charge $15 flat rate for shipping anywhere. This means it charges $15 no matter how many items you buy. I think it is an excellent deal if you buy several items like 3 bottles of ink.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 17:03

Finally took a picture of the comparison with alt goldgrun. Not perfect colorwise but shows their relationship. Written with a pilot 78G B nib in a dip pen holder, which didn't work too well, and swabbed with my finger. Given that the R&K was in a sample vial and the Stipula's bottle is really not conducive with finger swabbing, this is the best I could do.

Both colors are a bit brighter here than in life.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 20:15

Hi,

Many thanks for the fine Review!

Up until quite recently, I've been a bit shy of colours such as this - I thought the last word was MB Racing Green, and I was prepared to leave it at that. Then I started looking at the Browns, and of course, some of those show some Green tinges; but the tipping point for me was the Sailor rikyu-cha. (OoooLaLa.) And I left that at one bottle, because I reckoned there were more different inks to be had of similar nature.

And now this. :bunny01:

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But, I do have to ask a rather indelicate, perhaps indiscreet personal question. (So if you do not choose to respond, that's OK. I've had it whispered in my ear that I can be a itty-bitty bit pushy.) But ... When you write with your normal cadence at speed, does the ink appear all so much different? Especially the shading with the narrower nibs?

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 00:21

Finally took a picture of the comparison with alt goldgrun. Not perfect colorwise but shows their relationship. Written with a pilot 78G B nib in a dip pen holder, which didn't work too well, and swabbed with my finger. Given that the R&K was in a sample vial and the Stipula's bottle is really not conducive with finger swabbing, this is the best I could do.

Both colors are a bit brighter here than in life.

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Thank you for the image. I had seen some other scans of Alt Goldgrun that led me to believe it would be closer to Stip Verde.

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 00:49

Hi,

Many thanks for the fine Review!

Up until quite recently, I've been a bit shy of colours such as this - I thought the last word was MB Racing Green, and I was prepared to leave it at that. Then I started looking at the Browns, and of course, some of those show some Green tinges; but the tipping point for me was the Sailor rikyu-cha. (OoooLaLa.) And I left that at one bottle, because I reckoned there were more different inks to be had of similar nature.

And now this. :bunny01:

Surrounded by enablers, I am!!

Harried
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:gaah:

OMG, sign me up for a pot!
(If I order today, it may be
waiting when/if I return


But, I do have to ask a rather indelicate, perhaps indiscreet personal question. (So if you do not choose to respond, that's OK. I've had it whispered in my ear that I can be a itty-bitty bit pushy.) But ... When you write with your normal cadence at speed, does the ink appear all so much different? Especially the shading with the narrower nibs?

Bye,
S1


Given that several of the inks in my collection owe their presence to your reviews, I am more than happy to return the favor. I have dropped a number of unsubtle hints to my wife about rikyu-cha, so I'm hoping that Santa comes through for me.

There's nothing indelicate or indiscreet about your question. I'm sure you can do better. Anyway, the short answer is no. The ink appears pretty much the same when writing in my normal hand at speed. Here's a 300dpi scan of the same passage written in my normal style (or whatever you want to call it) with the Sailor 1911, medium nib. The shading is more subtle than with broader nibs, but it's definitely there.:

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The only thing I really notice that's different with the finer nibs is that the lubrication is a little less. Certainly not an issue, just that the nib feels a wee bit toothier than it does with some of the better lubricating inks.

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 01:14

Adding to the last poster, I have been using this ink for several months in pens with nibs ranging from B stub to fine and it shades beautifully with all of them. The effect, no matter the nib size, is there. This is why this is one of my favourite greens. The result is also dark enough that could be used in some more formal settings. The ink is far from being the typical shiny green ink only suitable for editing documents. This ink was a nice discovery for me since it gives a nice shading which MB Racing Green does not have.
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Posted 10 December 2010 - 10:15

I adore this ink. I only have a sample bottle so I use it carefully, because as far as I kow its impossible to get in Europe. (If anyone else knows different please tell me). Right now its in a Geha Schullfuller med steel nib, which has a little flex, and it shades magnificently

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 13:48

I adore this ink. I only have a sample bottle so I use it carefully, because as far as I kow its impossible to get in Europe. (If anyone else knows different please tell me). Right now its in a Geha Schullfuller med steel nib, which has a little flex, and it shades magnificently

It is so beautiful, I may well ask a US friend to grab me some and post it on...


Missing Pen in Germany has it. Never had call to order from Rolf, but he's got a good reputation around here, and is a FPN member to boot. I think orders for non-German speakers are done via email.

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 19:19


Hi,

Many thanks for the fine Review!
...
When you write with your normal cadence at speed, does the ink appear all so much different? Especially the shading with the narrower nibs?


Bye,
S1


Given that several of the inks in my collection owe their presence to your reviews, I am more than happy to return the favor. I have dropped a number of unsubtle hints to my wife about rikyu-cha, so I'm hoping that Santa comes through for me.

There's nothing indelicate or indiscreet about your question. I'm sure you can do better. Anyway, the short answer is no. The ink appears pretty much the same when writing in my normal hand at speed. Here's a 300dpi scan of the same passage written in my normal style (or whatever you want to call it) with the Sailor 1911, medium nib. The shading is more subtle than with broader nibs, but it's definitely there.:

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The only thing I really notice that's different with the finer nibs is that the lubrication is a little less. Certainly not an issue, just that the nib feels a wee bit toothier than it does with some of the better lubricating inks.


Hi,

Outstanding!

I am sooo glad that SVM keeps it together at pace, and from the narrow nibs too. Definitely doesn't need things to be 'just so' for that Look to be generated and maintained. Far too many of the inks I've looked at will only demonstrate shading with wider nibs on hard smooth paper, which I think is a shame really. Those who prefer the narrow nibs should not have to forgo shading. (And just because shading is not so noticeable from the narrow nibs, does not mean that it is not being perceived and enhancing the reading experience. Ditto for line-edge quality.)


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Posted 10 December 2010 - 19:35

I have this ink and use it at work. Dark enough for me to read, un-black enough for me to enjoy.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 17:21

This ink shades nicely. I have a Sailor Realo M nib also, it is one pen that will never shade whatsoever for me. I'll grab a bottle and try with my pens. Thank for the review.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 20:09

Looks like a very lovely green :thumbup: thanks for sharing
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