Comparison: Pilot 'asa-gao' :: Herbin Eclat De Saphir

[Sandy1]

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Figure 1.

Gray Scale.

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Figure 2. Swabs

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Pilot asa-gao x3

Herbin Eclat de Saphir x3

Pilot asa-gao x2

Herbin Eclat de Saphir x2

Pilot asa-gao x1

Herbin Eclat de Saphir x1

 

Figure 3. Other Stuff

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• Left Side: Herbin Eclat de Saphir
• Right Side: Pilot asa-gao

Written Samples - Moby Dick

 

Figure 4. Written Samples on Rhodia

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Left Side. Pilot asa-gao: Nine lines from the M200+EF; then ten lines from the 330+M; then ten lines from the Safari+1.1i.

Right Side. Herbin Eclat de Saphir: Nine lines from the M200+EF; then ten lines from the 330+M; then ten lines from the Safari+1.1i.

 

Figure 5. Written Samples on HPJ1124

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1st Line: Pilot asa-gao from the 330+M

2nd Line: Herbin Eclat de Saphir from the 330+M

3rd Line: Pilot asa-gao from the Safari+1.1i

4th Line: Herbin Eclat de Saphir from the Safari+1.1i

 

High Resolution Scans

As I do not wish to have the sobriquet 'Queen of the Bandwidth Bandits', these are Links only.

• Pilot asa-gao from 330+M on Rhodia. Link

• Herbin Eclat de Saphir from 330+M on Rhodia. Link

• Pilot asa-gao from Safari+1.1i on Rhodia. Link

• Herbin Eclat de Saphir from Safari+1.1i on Rhodia. Link

• Pilot asa-gao and Herbin Eclat de Saphir from 330+M on HPJ1124. Link

• Pilot asa-gao and Herbin Eclat de Saphir from Safari+1.1i on HPJ1124. Link

 

Observations:

 

• These are the things which are not apparent from the Images.
• These observations may differ ever so slightly from the Ink Review/s that may be in place.
• My contribution was to generate enough reasonable samples, then capture the appearance of those samples.
• If you'd like more detailed information, please send me a PM; I'll do what I can. (Within reason - you naughty FPN boys).
• I leave it to each viewer to interpret what is seen, and/or to initiate discussion in the usual way.

Type:

• Both are dye-based FP inks.

Flow Rate:

• Both inks are OK.

• Pilot asa-gao is slightly greater.

Nib Dry-out:

• Both inks are OK.

Start-up:

• Both inks are OK.

Lubrication:

• Both inks are OK.

• Pilot asa-gao is significantly greater.

Nib Creeping:

• None for both inks.

Staining:

• None after 3 days for both inks.

Clogging:

• Not seen for both inks.

Bleed Through:

• None on papers used for both inks.

Show Through:

• None on papers used for both inks.

• Both sides of the sheet may be used.

Clean-up:

• Both cleaned-up within a reasonable time with plain water.

 

Densitometer Readings - From the Ink Reviews. (FWIW)

 

Pilot asa-gao:

• Red 91

• Grn 119

• Blu 226

• Lum 135

 

Herbin Eclat de Saphir:

• Red 112

• Grn 125

• Blu 240

• Lum 145

 

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MATERIEL

 

Paper:

• Written Samples:

◦ Rhodia

◦ HPJ1124

◦ Glossy card

• Other:

◦ Glossy paper

◦ HPJ1124

◦ Royal - 25% cotton rag

Pens:

• Pelikan M200 + M200-series g-p steel EF

• Sheaffer 330 + steel M

• Lamy Pink Safari + a rather wet steel 1.1i

 

IMAGES:

• Scans were made on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted.

• Figures shown were scanned at 96 dpi & 24 bit colour.

• Images linked were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour.

• Scans went straight to the file sharing thingy.

 

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Edited September 3, 2010 by Sandy1

[Sandy1]

INK REVIEW LINKS

[Sandy1]

Pilot asa-gao Link

[Sandy1]

Herbin Eclat de Saphir Link

[ParkerBeta]

My sincere thanks for probably the most scientific and thorough ink review I've ever seen! I have both these inks, and usually cannot distinguish one from the other on any of my stationery. Given that Jetpens sells the Asa-Gao for $28 and the EdS for $9, it's nice to have a low-cost yet "name-brand" alternative to the Asa-Gao.

Edited September 3, 2010 by ParkerBeta

[DAYoung]

Fantastic review, as always. And making me regret not putting in an order for Asa-Gao from a holidaying friend.

 

Perhaps it's not too late...

[Sandy1]

My sincere thanks for probably the most scientific and thorough ink review I've ever seen! I have both these inks, and usually cannot distinguish one from the other on any of my stationery. Given that Jetpens sells the Asa-Gao for $28 and the EdS for $9, it's nice to have a low-cost yet "name-brand" alternative to the Asa-Gao.

Hi,

 

This is one of the forty-five Comparisons that I plan to do for the 'One Of The Ten' group of Blue inks.

 

So I do not post the OOTT Comparisons only in the event of the two inks being 'equivalents' or such like. Unless of course, that's what they are to the viewer.

 

I think that as the inks are slowly reviewed and eventually compared, some 'Eureka'! moments may occur.

(See the comparison of Skrip Blue to Cd'A Blue Sky, Link.)

 

My primary intention is to provide Ink Reviews and Comparisons in as similar a fashion as practically possible: same papers, pens, text, same atrocious hand-writing, and unfortunately for some - the same Grocery List.

 

Two benefits are anticipated:

• allow for the selection of lynch-pin Blue/s for one's array;
• provide an even platform for discussion of different inks' properties, as additions to the Reviews & Comparisons. (YMMV and all that, but samples from six pens on four papers gives a pretty good idea of the inks' capabilities / limitations.)

(And I certainly hope that Members will embellish the threads.)

 

Bye,

S1