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Here it is folks. Read it and weep with joy. All the diagrams were drawn in my green ink, but to save space with the files, I gray scaled em all down.

 

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It's funny that as I was writing the page about the Montblanc black working well in this pen, my pen started to dry out. Don't know. It's the pen though, not the ink, I'm sure.

 

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all done and together, and filled with ink! YAYY!!

 

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Are all 4 of the longitudinal ebonite ribs ok?

 

They can be broken very easily, if you don't have a very expensive $200+ obsolete Pelikan tool.

If they are ok, you are in butter no matter what else.

 

Very gently put the nib tip on a couple of sheets of paper at the edge of the desk and press down on the nib to straighten it out. Something like a new pencil will do.

It should not be so crooked.

I straightened my MB 320 nib that way.

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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no. a couple of the ribs had been broken off before. i wasn't worried about that part, but the very tip of it had been broken off too. and yeah, the nib is way crooked on the left tine. working with a flexy nib is a bit more involved/troublesome than a firmer nib. i haven't any experience with it yet, but i suppose there's no better time to learn! :thumbup:

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Problem one.

 

if the two rills were not reported as broken...send it back and wait for another day.

It's so the nib, with full ebonite ribs that make that make the '50's Pelikan nibs so good.

It will always be dry writing missing those two rills.

 

You have to get it re-tipped at @$60, and on top of that you need a "new" old feed for it. They are scarce.

 

Oblique is "crooked" but put a better picture up...showing the underside...I'm not an expert but I have that nib. Pelikan '50's Oblique Broad...mine is a 140 but that's close enough for hand grenades.

 

I want to see how much damage it is...and it is not a flexy nib, it is a semi-flex nib. There is a world of difference.

Well... I doubt extremely that it is a Flexy nib, or I'd seen them some where and been :puddle: for such in my Pelikans...instead of dreaming of Soennecken or Swans.

 

Obliques come in 15 and 30 Degree grinds. I have an old Pelkian 30 degree OB, a MB 15 degree, KOB and a modern do nothing OB 15 degree Lamy.

 

Depends if you got right foot or left foot Oblique. ..looking from the top of my pen my right tine is longer and I have Iridium on the bottom. A good amount. That is ..left foot or for right handed writers.

 

If you have a right foot, then you will have to hold it crooked the other direction.

 

 

It might be best to send it back...

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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sending it back isn't an option, plus i'd rather keep it. :P

 

i have a soft spot in my heart for beaten and abused pens. three legged dogs. i can be patient and try to find an old nib for it. or i can buy a new one for an m200 and turn the back end of the feed down so it fits into the section of the 400.

 

and the nib this thing came with is a Warranted.

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Well that is just the absolutely coolest thread I've seen!!! You're drawings are simply amazing!!!

 

Good luck watch art!

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Then it is not a Pelikan nib. Pelikan nibs say Pelikan.

 

Warranted could be a good nib, or not.... could be just warranted it is 14 K gold, I've read both.

 

A 200 nib and feed will fit your '50s 400. I'm almost sure. But check Richard Binders fitting chart.

 

I doubt that you have to fiddle with the feed.

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In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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i'll try again with it. i'd love to be able to slap in a nice new BB. i love some fatty lines. and then i'd be okay with fooling with this nib and finding out what it takes to bend a flexy nib.

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just checked to see if my modern m200 nib would fit in. no go. so i cut the end of the feed down a bit. tapered it slightly. with my exacto knife. goes in super easy. YAY! i'll be ordering some BB nibs, please!!

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Must be some sort of modern change, in my '50's nibs (140 and 120) fit in my '90s, 400 and I think my modern 605 but the nib looks ridiculously small.

My 400NN of course was a friction feed. :crybaby:

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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Well, the nib from the 400 fits my M200 just fine, but the 200 nib wouldn't go into the 400 body because the base of the feed was too wide. cut down it fits perfectly and still writes like a dream. but then, why wouldn't it?

 

so that's my next purchase: a double broad from our good friend mr. Binder... and i'm gonna cut it up and stick it in my 400. YEEPA! unless i can find one for cheap on ebay? or if one of you kind souls has one you'd like to part with??

 

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Nope, my 140 OB is fighting it out with my MB 234 1/2 KOB for best nib. Reffing is my Geha KM.

The ref is a Pelikan 400NN, OF.

All semi-flex.

The '50's German Obliques were ground for shading. The modern ones not. I have a Lamy 18 K OB nail....well nails are not for shading as is.

I don't know if the 30-50's US and British Obliques were also ground for shading...but do try to stay with semi-flex.

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4787306616_0627f90467_b.jpgso here is the work involved to make my m200 nib fit the 400 pen. very cool. like i said, will be ordering some modern nibs eventually. nice gold colored steel nibs.

 

and straightened the warranted nib a bit. a bit more to go. will knock it out and straighten it later on when i feel like it. still, a very thirsty nib. hoping getting it straight will alleviate that some.

 

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