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#1 Dillo

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 20:12

Hi,

Here is my review of the Lamy 2000 pencil. Despite the fact that I really like this pencil, in retrospect, I was a little hard on it when I wrote this review. The pencil itself is very good, and I recommend it with reservations. I use mine everyday and take it everywhere.











Also, please let me know what you think about this new review format. It was written using the Lamy 2000 pencil.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 20:38

Very nice review, Dillon. I just took ownership of a Lamy 2000 FP and I'm considering a mechanical pencil at some point. Your comments on the eraser are especially helpful. Do you have any recommendations for other pencils you've enjoyed?

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 21:09

Let's see...try the Scribble leadholder. I also like the Pilot pencils very much.

If you have the 2000 fountain pen, you should get the pencil. smile.gif FYI, the day after I got my 2000 pencil, it did a three metre backflip onto a hard floor and survived without a mark. It's well built like the fountain pen.

I have photos! Coming soon!

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Edited by Dillo, 20 March 2009 - 04:04.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 20:39

Hi,

Pictures!

All in one piece


A look under the pushbutton


All the parts. The mechanism is the silver pipe.


The clip hooks onto the brass ring


Clip assembled


You can see the four-pronged thing that holds the rubber stub thing


Another look at that rubber plug thing. Look at the long needle!


Here is the tip of the mechanism


Another look. It uses a three element clutch


Note that the nose cone covers the front part of the mechanism


Here it is with my HP 35s


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Posted 21 March 2009 - 20:54

Bonus photo!

My Lamy family



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Posted 22 March 2009 - 06:37

Excellent review Dillo! I loved the detailed under the hood photographs ezpecially of the taken apart clip. Thanks for sharing!

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 20:17

Nice work, Dillon. smile.gif

I'm especially intrigued by the extent of engineering that went into this MP. It looks like it is well thought out... however, there appears to be a handicap in keeping so close to the Lamy 2000 fountain pen design. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the lead holder being seated so far back from the tip mean that a full centimeter or more of lead is wasted?

Staedtler came up with a double-clutch mechanism that supposedly utilizes over 97% of a lead stick. The Dave's Mechanical Pencil blog reviewed it HERE. It's an intriguing design, but perhaps too late in the life of the MP invention to warrant incorporating into more expensive MP designs.


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Posted 22 March 2009 - 22:49

Hi,

Staedtler didn't invent that, in fact, Pelikan had the double mechanism, but only for their thicker lead pencils (1.1 mm diameter leads) You could use the lead down completely in those pencils

Yes, you are right, there is a cm or so of lead wasted. However, if you are careful, the small urethane gasket (permanently seated and impossible for me to take a picture of) in the nosecone can hold the lead in such a way that you can use the lead until it is 2-3mm long before it falls out of the pencil. It is a very small hassle though because you have to click the pencil once, then push the stub of lead until it contacts the tip of the new lead.

I don't think it is a drawback cased by sticking with the Lamy 2000 design because the problem could be fixed with a redesign of the mechanism. (there is enough space in the front section for a more elaborate design). Most pencils lose a bit of lead about this long, so it is normal. smile.gif If given the motivation and the idea, Lamy could certainly ask Schmidt to implement this idea in a redesigned mechanism for the 2000.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 23:09

I recently bought this one.

I collect mechanical pencils for some years now and I trully loved this one.

Excellent review and photos also.

Thanks a lot

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 02:56

Dillo,
I have a Lamy 2000 .5mm pencil that I use virtually every day. It is a great full size pencil. The only way it could be better for me is if it had a big eraser.

Thanks for the review.

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 03:15

I usually carry around the nice "block" eraser. If you like, you can look at my Lamy Scribble review. Someone asked for recommendations on a nice big eraser.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 19:13

Dillon, I hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread. After months of looking on and off, I found a nice Lamy 2000 MP on Ebay for under $20. This is stamped W. Germany, so I suppose that means it is at least 18-19 years old.

As you can see from the exploded view below, not much has changed in the time between when yours was made and mine. There are only a few differences I can see, most obviously on the clip and mechanism. There are no imprints on the clip. Rather, the Lamy 2000 imprint is stamped into the barrel. Even the eraser looks to be the same, although mine was hardened after so long in disuse. Finally, there is no indication of lead size (this is 0.7mm).

I'm curious, do any of the Lamy buffs in the house know tell-tale signs to dating these throughout the years? I'm assuming that my specimen dates somewhere between 1966 (launch of the 2000 line) and 1990 (reunification), but I wonder if I could be more precise. Did the MP come out at the same time as the FP?

Exploded view. Notice the pit about 1/3 of the way down the barrel, just under the reflection. This is from the ball on the underside of the clip.
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LAMY 2000 W. GERMANY imprint. It doesn't show too well, but the barrel has a nice shiny patina.
Lamy 2000 W. Germany

Edited by bphollin, 02 September 2009 - 19:55.


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Posted 02 September 2009 - 19:26

I like this pencil, too. In fact, I prefer it to its fountain pen partner, which gave me plenty of leaky trouble. This is one of the best and best looking mechanical pencils on the market.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 19:34

QUOTE (bphollin @ Sep 2 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dillon, I hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread. After months of looking on and off, I found a nice Lamy 2000 MP on Ebay for under $20.


Wow, I wish I'd seen it, I might have given you some competition! I think it's a gorgeous looking pencil and I'd certainly love to have one to complement my equally gorgeous L2000 FP.

Edited by Aysedasi, 02 September 2009 - 19:34.


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Posted 02 September 2009 - 21:21

QUOTE (Aysedasi @ Sep 2 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (bphollin @ Sep 2 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dillon, I hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread. After months of looking on and off, I found a nice Lamy 2000 MP on Ebay for under $20.


Wow, I wish I'd seen it, I might have given you some competition! I think it's a gorgeous looking pencil and I'd certainly love to have one to complement my equally gorgeous L2000 FP.


I saw that auction. Didn't bid... headsmack.gif
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 01:17

Dillon,

Thanks for sharing this great review with us.

When you write that the 2000's lead "snaps somewhat easily", you're describing a problem in the heart of the pencil's function. I concur. I have three Lamy thin lead pencils - a Safari, a Scribble, and a (0.7mm) 2000. Even after upgrading the Lamy lead to Pentel Ain, I find all the Lamy pencils to result in broken/snapped leads much more often than other pencils. I don't find that acceptable, and have to conclude that the mechanisms are at fault.

You write that the 2000 has a customized Schmidt mechanism - I don't know if you have some "insider" knowledge, but that's a very interesting observation. I'm not sure what this means for Lamy or Schmidt. I own perhaps a hundred mechanical pencils, and unfortunately place Lamy's mechanisms at the very bottom of the pile, quality-wise. This is an unfortunate contrast with their exteriors - which I regard as superior in design, with intriguing and interesting construction, materials, and shapes.

This seems to parallel the ongoing discussion of FPs at FPN - nice exterior designs and high prices often don't correlate with superior function.

I'd be glad to hear you thoughts - and those of other MP users.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 04:26

Hello. I currently have two Lamy Scribbles - the 3.15 mm "leadholder" version and the regular .7mm mechanical pencil. I really like how they feel, the thickness, the balance, the looks. Just about everything. Thing is they make great pocket pencils but I'd like something more full size for daily use at my desk at work & at home.

From the pictures, it almost looks like the 2000 is Scribble that has been made full size and nicer. Can anyone who has both comment & compare?

The other pencil I have been thinking about is the Pentel Kerry. It looks nice & is cheaper.
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Posted 04 October 2009 - 05:23

Pretty cool for a pencil.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 14:48

Sweet review!! Thanks! Very informative. I'm getting ready to order one myself.
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 08:12

Thanks for this: near as I can tell, yours is the only review of Lamy's 2000 pencil. I had thought of getting one shortly after getting my 2000 FP, but I discovered Rotring's Trio-Pencil and that was that. This was over ten years ago...still have, and love, the Rotring.


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Nice review.
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 19:16

Hello,

I just happen to be visiting as I do every once in a while, and I noticed the questions. Yes, it is a pity that the mechanism of the pencil is not made that carefully. I actually quit using it because it kept breaking leads. I went back to my Pilot pencils and haven't had a problems since. I think the quality of the mechanism is such a pity since the body of the pencil is a very well engineered piece. In addition, for the $50 price tag, it couldn't, in my opinion, beat a $5 Pilot pencil in reliability and mechanism quality.

For a bit of trivia, the Lamy 2000 pencil survived halfway through my first semester in college, then I got frustrated with it and swapped it for a Pilot Dr. Grip. I then used the Uni Kuru Toga 0.3mm, Pilot Symmetry, and the Pilot Airfit for the spring semester. I then got through organic chemistry over the summer with a Pilot S3 0.9mm (on a side note, my most favorite summer of my life, I even wrote an essay of award nomination for my professor). I then did the fall semester with a Pilot Dr. Grip Putimo. If you want to understand dyes and inks better, take organic chemistry with the lab. Good stuff!!

Overall, I liked the Pilot Symmetry the most. It didn't suffer the design flaws of the Dr. Grip G-spec. The Putimo Dr. Grip was a wonderful piece as well. The only drawback is that not everyone can use it comfortably due to size.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 22:44

Dillo,

Nice review and pencils. You are only missing the ABC pencil which you might find fun.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 04:02

The ABC pencil was something I used to want, sadly I'm not looking for it actively anymore. If someone sends me one for a gift, I will definitely review it and put up a lot of pictures.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 02:45

Can someone who has one comment on this?

 

I just got one. One thing that may concern me is that my pocket clip has some side-to-side play. If that is normal, it doesn't bother me, but I want to know if mine is unusual.

 

I've noticed that my mechanism is a bit clunky on the first click, and smooths out. I hope it becomes smooth with some more use.

 

 

Best,

 

 

 

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 16:24

Hi,

Pictures!


Here it is with my HP 35s
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Perfect combo!  :thumbup:



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Posted 25 June 2014 - 01:44

Can someone who has one comment on this?

 

I just got one. One thing that may concern me is that my pocket clip has some side-to-side play. If that is normal, it doesn't bother me, but I want to know if mine is unusual.

 

I've noticed that my mechanism is a bit clunky on the first click, and smooths out. I hope it becomes smooth with some more use.

 

 

Best,

 

 

 

TIm.

 

Yes, the mechanism does smooth out with use. My problem with it was mostly the fact that it kept on breaking leads randomly, especially the two I had. It was more prone to lead breakage than any of the other pencils I have, and I have a lot of pencils, perhaps even more than I do fountain pens.

 

The clip does have some side to side play. That is normal.

 

Bernardo, now I pair the calculator with the Lamy Scribble. The Scribble seems to be a much nicer pencil and I even have two because I think it's one of the best 3.15 mm lead holders I have used.

 

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 15:02

 

Yes, the mechanism does smooth out with use. My problem with it was mostly the fact that it kept on breaking leads randomly, especially the two I had. It was more prone to lead breakage than any of the other pencils I have, and I have a lot of pencils, perhaps even more than I do fountain pens.

 

The clip does have some side to side play. That is normal.

Dillon

 

Thanks very much for the reply, and for your review.