Jump to content


Photo

The Lamy 2000 Experiment


  • Please log in to reply
89 replies to this topic

#1 matthewst1

matthewst1

    Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 183 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:59

Gday,

I recently purchased a Lamy 2000 after much careful consideration from PenGallery (no aff.) and it has quickly become one of my favourite pens. I wrote all of my exam notes and all of my exams with it last semester, and it never disappointed with it's large ink reservoir and surprisingly smooth EF nib. Afer hearing many people on this forum having troubles with theirs (especially with the EF nib) I was somewhat apprehensive in buying one; but as I said, I was blown away. After using it for a few months and dropping it a few times without any problems; I decided to do a bit of an experiment to see just how tough the Lamy 2000 is. Note that I have not taken the pen apart at all, nor have I removed or replaced any components at any time. This pen is as I bought it, as an average user would use it; intact and containing ink at all times. Also note that this experiment isn't serious in any way - If I really wanted to be unbiased then I'd also grab a second 2000 for comparison. I'm pretty sure I just managed to bag a good one tongue.gif

Onto the tests:

Test 1 - Shock and durability

For this test I dropped the pen (capped) from several heights, 1 meter, 2 meters, and finally, off of a two story house.

1 meter - The pen bounced as it hit the concrete surface, landing on the top of the cap. No damage to outer surface, piston, nib, or otherwise. No nib leakage.

2 meters - The pen bounced as it hit the concrete surface, landing on the top of the cap again. No damage to outer surface, piston, nib, or otherwise. One or two spots of ink on the nib/in the cap.

Two floors up - Landed rather violently on its side and top. Small abrasion to the smooth part on the top of the cap, no damage elsewhere. Again, only a few drops of ink in the cap; and after all drops, the pen still wrote flawlessly. For this test, Waterman black was used for ink.

Test 2 - Extreme Heat

Living in Australia, it gets damn hot in summer, up to 45 degrees C (113F). As such, I needed a pen that could withstand the heat during everyday use. For this test, I continued to use the pen inside, outside and at work; carrying it in a bag on an awkward angle for a few days, and then left in a bag in my car for the remainder of the week (4 days) to see what happened. I put a thermometer in my car and the highest reading I received one afternoon was 72 degrees C (162F). At the end of the week, I removed the pen from the bag and took the cap off. There was quite a bit of ink leakage, but after wiping it off with a tissue, the pen still wrote flawlessly. For this test, Waterman black was used for ink.

Test 3 - Freezing Cold

My family and I went to Austria for Christmas, and some nights the temperature got down to around -12 degrees C (10F). I took my pen with me fo writing when I was there; and decided to conduct another test. I left the pen outside for 3 days; where it was exposed to temperatures ranging from 1 degree to -12 degrees. This test is also a testament to Noodler's Polar Blue ink, because after bringing the pen in on the final morning and struggling to get the cap off (it was frosted shut) - the pen still wrote without a problem. It would have been about -3 degrees at the time. The pen was also tested within the 3 day period at 1 degree, -4 degrees and -8 degrees. All tests were successful, with the pen working without a hitch.


To conclude, I know that this little experiment isn't especially sophisticated or anything, it was really just a bit of fun over the holidays and I also wanted to verify the 2000's 'tank-like' status. I suppose I've been pretty lucky with regard to my 2000, because a lot of people do seem to have problems with it. Either way, this pen has been through a lot and I hope to see many more years of good use from it biggrin.gif



Edited by matthewst1, 23 January 2009 - 10:27.

Wanted List: Pelikan M800 F; GvFC Pernambuco F

#2 pakmanpony

pakmanpony

    Say that again, I have a pen here somewhere...

  • Moderators

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,399 posts
  • Location:Arkansas, USA
  • Flag:

Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:03

ohmy.gif

#3 njh1974

njh1974

    Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 199 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:38

As a fellow sandgroper with a Lamy 2000, I'm glad it was yours that went through all this! Mine writes beautifully and I've had no problems whatsoever.

The Lamy 2000 is brilliant!
"que le cœur de l'homme est creux et plein d'ordure."

#4 lucentstreak

lucentstreak

    the common reader

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 175 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 07:04

blink.gif

And you did it without a crisis of conscience?

*hugs her 2000 tightly*

Then again, thank you for the tests - I would'nt dare to simply leave my 2000 like what you did but it's always good to know that there's been some test done.
Posted Image
"Words dazzle and deceive because they mimed by the face
But black words on a white page are the soul laid bare"

--Guy De Maupassant

#5 matthewst1

matthewst1

    Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 183 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 07:21

Yeah it was pretty harsh, but hey; it was fun, and conclusive! It was all for a good cause. I'm not sure which exactly but thats something to think about, I suppose.
Wanted List: Pelikan M800 F; GvFC Pernambuco F

#6 WillSW

WillSW

    Collectors Item

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,449 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 07:49

If I see you comin' at me with a ladder, I'm not stickin' around to find out why.

#7 HDoug

HDoug

    First Class Forever

  • Moderators

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,656 posts
  • Location:Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
  • Flag:

Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:03

Pen science owes you ... either an award or imprisonment -- perhaps both. But thanks for posting the results or your daring experiments.

Doug

#8 Mrs Palmer

Mrs Palmer

    Near Mint

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPip
  • 34 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:09

OBVIOUSLY you live in Perth.
Not much to do for amusement here is there!!

LOL!

My husband says "Why didn't you drop it from the top of the Ferris Wheel at the esplanade?"

hmm1.gif hmm1.gif

#9 Silvermink

Silvermink

    Texture Junkie

  • Admin Tech.

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,500 posts
  • Location:Vancouver, BC, Canada
  • Flag:

Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:30

"Never failed to disappoint"? smile.gif
http://twitter.com/silvermink
Vancouver Pen Club

Currently inked:

Pilot Elite 95S - M - Pilot Iroshizuku Kiri-same // Parker 21 Super - M - Noodler's Widowmaker // Stipula Modello T FPN LE - Conway Stewart Kingsand // Parker Duofold (Canadian) - F - Diamine Meadow // Delta Via Veneto Doué Elegance - M - Conway Stewart Kingsand

#10 Ink Stained Wretch

Ink Stained Wretch

    Antique

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,551 posts
  • Location:The Wrong Side of the Inkwell

Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:42

Jeez! I don't think I have any fountain pens that I'd want to treat that way!
On a sacred quest for the perfect blue ink mixture!
ink stained wretch filling inkwell

#11 matthewst1

matthewst1

    Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 183 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 10:30

QUOTE (Silvermink @ Jan 23 2009, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Never failed to disappoint"? smile.gif


How the!? My bad.

As for the ferris wheel, now that is disappointing! I probably could have dropped it off of there - its barely any more than two floors anyway hehe.

Yeah as I said, pretty harsh treatment - but theres plenty of Lamys in the sea - this one just happened to be amazingly durable.
Wanted List: Pelikan M800 F; GvFC Pernambuco F

#12 Breck

Breck

    Why do I ever stray from Bustelo?

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,422 posts
  • Location:Philadelphia, PA

Posted 23 January 2009 - 10:46

kaneklapqo6.gif

You, sir, are awesome. The heat, maybe I could manage. The cold, yeah, maybe I could do that, too. But there is NO WAY I could bring myself to drop my 2000 off a two-story building.

#13 Philip1209

Philip1209

    Student of biomedical engineering and physics

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 878 posts
  • Location:Washington University in Saint Louis

Posted 23 January 2009 - 11:29

Wow, the 2000 really is durable. Thanks for doing these tests- they confirm my suspicions that the pen won't break short of throwing some thermite on it.

#14 gambosen

gambosen

    Mint

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 51 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 11:56

OK. Now do a variation.





Drop your Lamy 2000 from 2 storeys again but now with the cap taken off.
Surajit

....This is a line no one can see
'Tis made by an inverted Saibi Togee


#15 matthewst1

matthewst1

    Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 183 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 12:03

QUOTE (gambosen @ Jan 23 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK. Now do a variation.





Drop your Lamy 2000 from 2 storeys again but now with the cap taken off.



Oh dear. I don't know about that one! I'd imagine it'd probably land nib first - then there would be some serious problems! From a sitting height onto carpet; nib first is no worries - but I'd imagine onto wood or concrete it'd be a different story.
Wanted List: Pelikan M800 F; GvFC Pernambuco F

#16 OldGriz

OldGriz

    I Assimilated The Borg

  • Member - Remembered fondly
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,163 posts
  • Location:"The Farm", MD
  • Flag:

Posted 23 January 2009 - 12:22

I am going to reserve judgment on you treatment of that pen....
mostly because I don't want to be banned from posting gaah.gif
TomPosted Image
A veteran is someone who wrote a blank check Made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in This country who no longer understand it.

#17 winsonli

winsonli

    Mint

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 90 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 15:59

I've read reports on how durable the Lamy 2000 is, but nothing as extreme as yours.
Anyway, just don't repeat the experiment with the cap off. Please don't damage the pen ohmy.gif

#18 tadster

tadster

    Adorably Unadorned

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPip
  • 46 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 16:36

Could you please show us a picture of what your Lamy 2000 looks like now? Do you still use it--or is it so scarred from that 2-story fall that you do not use it in public?

I appreciate your durability assessment, but I'm afraid your mad experiment may have voided the lifetime warranty of your pen... even if you sent it in for a nib replacement several years from now, Lamy will no doubt see the damage and declare that your pen is the product of abuse. Nevertheless, I'm sure you realized this before your tests, and, in full consideration of the detrimental future consequences of your heinous actions, you have sacrificed your pen for the good of the pen community. The quest for knowledge continues.
I trade postcards.

#19 jbbreau

jbbreau

    Jean-Bernard

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 151 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 16:48

QUOTE (tadster @ Jan 23 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could you please show us a picture of what your Lamy 2000 looks like now? Do you still use it--or is it so scarred from that 2-story fall that you do not use it in public?

I appreciate your durability assessment, but I'm afraid your mad experiment may have voided the lifetime warranty of your pen... even if you sent it in for a nib replacement several years from now, Lamy will no doubt see the damage and declare that your pen is the product of abuse. Nevertheless, I'm sure you realized this before your tests, and, in full consideration of the detrimental future consequences of your heinous actions, you have sacrificed your pen for the good of the pen community. The quest for knowledge continues.


I second that, I too want to see a picture. yikes.gif
«This statement wouldn't be funny if not for irony.»
-Randall Munroe

#20 FrankB

FrankB

    Museum Piece

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,225 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 17:24

unsure.gif Well - I am going to join the others to say I appreciate the data from your experiment. I wouldn't do it again, though. unsure.gif

Then again, in the 1920's the Parker folks did drop a "Big Red" from an airplane to see if it would take the abuse. It did, and wrote well. I wonder if the 2000 ... Nah. mellow.gif

#21 John Cullen

John Cullen

    John Cullen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,867 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 18:19

If I remember correctly, Nathan Tardif (sp?) long ago on Alt-collecting posted the results of an experiment in which he ran over a bunch of Sheaffers with his car to check their durability. I am not sure if he ran over other brands too. I think he was running over snorkles but I may be mistaken. Perhaps he was comparing 51s to snorks?

Anyone else remember this?

As for the Lamy experiment, I think it was quite interesting and applaud the experimenter. The 2000 continues to intrigue me simply because people's experiences seem to vary widely, perhaps more so than with many other pens.



#22 Bill Smith

Bill Smith

    Parker and Pelikan Fan

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,284 posts

Posted 23 January 2009 - 19:46

Why would you want to torture your 2000?
"Life moves pretty fast, if you do not stop and look around once and a while you might just miss it."
Ferris Bueller



What's on Bill Smith's brain

#23 PaulK

PaulK

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Location:(Near) Middle of America, Nebraska

Posted 23 January 2009 - 21:34

And let me add to what everyone else said: I'll be watching to see when this pen comes up in the Marketplace.... roflmho.gif

More seriously, never expected anything but the results you reported. My 2000 is absolutely great!

-P
A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.

~ Oscar Wilde, 1888

Posted ImagePosted Image

#24 joexray

joexray

    "I like toast"

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 76 posts
  • Location:Naperville, IL

Posted 23 January 2009 - 22:01

QUOTE (PaulK @ Jan 23 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... when this pen comes up in the Marketplace. ...

QUOTE (FrankB @ Jan 23 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... in the 1920's the Parker folks did drop a "Big Red" from an airplane ... I wonder if the 2000 ...

If I could convince Matthewst1 to sell me this pen , AND if I could convince a pilot to let me drop this out of a [heated] airplane, AND if it is still winter here in Chicago (its been another brutal season so far) ...
I could replicate this series of test, North-American style (everything to excess, got me this far wink.gif ).
However, it would probably take me until summer to find the darn thing.

--Brian

The world seldom recognizes genius, but when it does it squashes it with the abject tedium of compromise.
-- Manservant Neville (The Middleman: The Clotharian Contamination Protocol)

#25 Djehuty

Djehuty

    Collectors Item

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,325 posts

Posted 24 January 2009 - 03:33

yikes.gif

And I say again: yikes.gif

I can't imagine ever doing that to my Lamy 2000 (I just had to go visit it and reassure it that it's a good pen and I'm not tossing it off of any roofs, stoops, or other structures), but I'm glad you did. smile.gif It's nice to know the pen really is as tough as it seems.


#26 MYU

MYU

    ... Gravity is the key to it all ...

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,951 posts
  • Location:On a cliff, looking at Manhattan island

Posted 24 January 2009 - 03:47

QUOTE (tadster @ Jan 23 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could you please show us a picture of what your Lamy 2000 looks like now? Do you still use it--or is it so scarred from that 2-story fall that you do not use it in public?

I appreciate your durability assessment, but I'm afraid your mad experiment may have voided the lifetime warranty of your pen... even if you sent it in for a nib replacement several years from now, Lamy will no doubt see the damage and declare that your pen is the product of abuse. Nevertheless, I'm sure you realized this before your tests, and, in full consideration of the detrimental future consequences of your heinous actions, you have sacrificed your pen for the good of the pen community. The quest for knowledge continues.

Yes, I'd like to see some pictures as well!

Quite frankly, I'm amazed that dropping the pen 2 meters onto concrete did not cause any abrasions to the smooth top end of the cap (given how it landed on it). Perhaps it landed square on... because from an angle, I'd guarantee that the sharp edge would be knocked flat. I got my L2K used and there are a couple of extremely small flat spots on the edging that I can see up close with the naked eye.

Question: When you exposed the L2K to extremely cold temperatures, did it have a full load of ink? I wonder if the pen could hold up to a full compliment of ink freezing and expanding (ink will expand as it freezes, less so with Noodler's Polar ink).

In any case, I applaud you for being so bold with your L2K. biggrin.gif Talk about having faith in the pen. I know someone who has some real beater L2K parts... likely from being exposed to harsh sunlight for many years (cap cracks galore, and much fading on cap/barrel). If he could assemble a pen from parts that have unslightly blemishes (parts he wouldn't otherwise use) and then go gangbusters on more aggressive testing, it would be fascinating. This is of course assuming that the existing damage hasn't weakened the Makrolon to the point where it'll easily fail.
Posted Image
[MYU's Pen Review Corner]

"The Common Ground" -- Jeffrey Small

#27 J0rdan

J0rdan

    Extremely Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 265 posts

Posted 24 January 2009 - 03:52

Bravo, bravo. If only you had video taped the drop...
Posted Image

"A pen is certainly an excellent instrument to fix a man's attention and to inflame his ambition."

-John Adams


#28 matthewst1

matthewst1

    Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 183 posts

Posted 24 January 2009 - 05:10

Hey all,

I don't sell my pens; so no, it won't be in the marketplace tongue.gif

As for the two meter drop, it landed pretty square on, thats why there aren't any marks from that test. As for the reasons behind the experiment - or - 'torture;' I mainly wanted to test the reputation of the pen, and have a bit of fun! After all, there's plenty more 2000s out there.

Here is a pic of the cap after the tests:



Cheers!
Wanted List: Pelikan M800 F; GvFC Pernambuco F

#29 ppenloverr

ppenloverr

    Extremely Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 392 posts
  • Location:London
  • Flag:

Posted 24 January 2009 - 05:15

i always wanted that pen.. maybe one day i will have the courage of getting it. but blowing almost 100 pounds is a bit too much... will try ebay some day... (72 degrees is damn hot) notworthy1.gif
Regards

p p e n l o v e r r

#30 PS280

PS280

    I love that VP

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPip
  • 17 posts

Posted 24 January 2009 - 05:22

Wow... although I would never subject any of my fountain pens to that kind of punishment I do commend your valuable information. I was thinking of buying a Lamy that I wouldn't be able to scratch or damage and you just proved how tough the 2000 is. It is probably more than as tough as I would need it, as I am not intending to drop it off a building smile.gif