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#1 jmkeuning

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 02:16

So I am ready to put the converter in and fill it with my PR Lake Placid Blue. Is there anything I need to know? Or do I just do it? Do I flush all the old ink out first? Do I flush it and clean it every time I refill?

Anything else?
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 02:22

Simply fill smile.gif

-Put converter into pen as you would a cartridge,
-Dip entire nib, including some of the the grip section (just to make sure at least the ENTIRE nib is submerged in ink)
-Twist down and up to suck the ink into the converter
-Wrap the nib in a lint-free tissue, paper towel, serviette, or cloth to get rid of the excess ink on nib
-Write!


As with old ink - if you already have a different ink in the converter, it is adviseable to flush the pen out with water, then flicking the water out before you use a new kind of ink.

If you're simply refilling with the same colour ink - it's a matter of preference. Some fountain pen users like to eliminate the old ink before refilling, whereas others (including me) just refill and wipe, not caring if the old ink in the converter goes back into the bottle (as it is the same colour anyway). You do not need to flush the pen after each refill at all! biggrin.gif

Good luck with your Safari!

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 03:04

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 04:27

Sweet. Done.

Now, after rinsing with water, rinsing and rinsing and rinsing and rinsing, then shaking and shaking and shaking...

will the ink be watered down for a while or is it good to go? It seems like there will always be some water stuck in there. Any word on that?
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 05:06

With long term use, it shouldn't be a problem at all smile.gif

Welcome to the world of filling-from-bottle biggrin.gif

Edited by kissing, 23 June 2007 - 05:07.


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Posted 23 June 2007 - 12:46

After rinsing and shaking, I blot the face of the nib with a lint-free cloth to wick out more of the water. I usually wait about 15 minutes before refilling, but that's just me.

I also tend to flush out the converter with every refill, usually because I'm changing colors. But, I have one ink that creeps out onto my Safari nib and stays there (Noodler's Gulf Stream). By the time it's time to refill, the nib creep has formed a thin crust, and the flow is impeded. Particles of dried ink come loose when I flush, so I know I'm doing the right thing by flushing before refilling with that particular ink. So with some inks, I think flushing with refilling is mandatory (iron gall inks, red-based inks, and heavily-saturated inks are also mentioned for frequent flushing; to prevent corrosion and to prevent severe staining).

This is probably more information than you wanted. Enjoy your Safari!

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 14:19

By the Lord Harry! Iron gall ink passing through a fountain pen?! I'm aghast at the potential for damage to the delicate mechanism!

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But seriously, you've put that sort of thing down a fountain pen? I had thought that was a king-sized item of avoidance, due to the powerful acidity.

On the flushing front, I would add that if you're a complete loony (in which category I wallow happily drool.gif ), once you've run a dose of ink through a pen it's time to let another one out to play, so a full flush is the thing to do as it's going to sit aside for a while.
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 15:17

QUOTE(Ernst Bitterman @ Jun 23 2007, 10:19 AM) View Post
By the Lord Harry! Iron gall ink passing through a fountain pen?! I'm aghast at the potential for damage to the delicate mechanism!

{switching off Victorian emulator}

But seriously, you've put that sort of thing down a fountain pen? I had thought that was a king-sized item of avoidance, due to the powerful acidity.


This was exactly my point. If someone were going to use iron gall ink (such as Lamy Blue-Black, so I understand), I would advise frequent flushing, even if refilling with the same ink. I would use iron gall ink in my fountain pens, but it's not out of the question that someone else might choose to do so--especially when Lamy and other fountain pen ink companies (MontBlanc, Diamine) sell iron gall inks for use in fountain pens. Given that the OP's post is about a Lamy pen, I thought I'd mention it.

Edited by blueiris, 23 June 2007 - 15:19.


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Posted 25 June 2007 - 02:48

There are some of us who follow a slightly different path when refilling a converter-fill pen with a different color. When the pen runs dry, (optionally) flush with water and let everything dry, then take the converter out of the pen, fill just the converter with ink, and put it back in the pen. turn the knob to start a little ink down into the feed.

This way, there's no cleaning ink off the nib after dunking it in the ink-bottle. smile.gif

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 11:29

Got my first FP (a lamy safari, yay:) ) today, and was wondering about the same thing. Thanks for the tips.

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 14:29

QUOTE (blueiris @ Jun 23 2007, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Ernst Bitterman @ Jun 23 2007, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By the Lord Harry! Iron gall ink passing through a fountain pen?! I'm aghast at the potential for damage to the delicate mechanism!

{switching off Victorian emulator}

But seriously, you've put that sort of thing down a fountain pen? I had thought that was a king-sized item of avoidance, due to the powerful acidity.


This was exactly my point. If someone were going to use iron gall ink (such as Lamy Blue-Black, so I understand), I would advise frequent flushing, even if refilling with the same ink. I would use iron gall ink in my fountain pens, but it's not out of the question that someone else might choose to do so--especially when Lamy and other fountain pen ink companies (MontBlanc, Diamine) sell iron gall inks for use in fountain pens. Given that the OP's post is about a Lamy pen, I thought I'd mention it.

Thanks for the info! I too just received my first fountain pen - a Lamy Al Star, and was going to ask the same question. BUT, I was planning on using Lamy Blue-Black next - could you tell me more about "why not to use it"?
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Posted 08 January 2009 - 14:54

QUOTE (kenmc @ Jan 8 2009, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (blueiris @ Jun 23 2007, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Ernst Bitterman @ Jun 23 2007, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By the Lord Harry! Iron gall ink passing through a fountain pen?! I'm aghast at the potential for damage to the delicate mechanism!

{switching off Victorian emulator}

But seriously, you've put that sort of thing down a fountain pen? I had thought that was a king-sized item of avoidance, due to the powerful acidity.


This was exactly my point. If someone were going to use iron gall ink (such as Lamy Blue-Black, so I understand), I would advise frequent flushing, even if refilling with the same ink. I would use iron gall ink in my fountain pens, but it's not out of the question that someone else might choose to do so--especially when Lamy and other fountain pen ink companies (MontBlanc, Diamine) sell iron gall inks for use in fountain pens. Given that the OP's post is about a Lamy pen, I thought I'd mention it.

Thanks for the info! I too just received my first fountain pen - a Lamy Al Star, and was going to ask the same question. BUT, I was planning on using Lamy Blue-Black next - could you tell me more about "why not to use it"?

This is the story as I understand it, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong. Traditional blue black inks have two components: a regular blue ink and a special component that turns black when exposed to the oxygen in the air. This part that turns black is acidic. Some modern blue black inks (such as Lamy and blue-black) have some of this black component, as it is waterproof and gives proper blue black shading and look on the page. This makes the ink acidic, and thus a threat to your pen. I personally think that it's not acidic enough to pose any serious problem, as long as you cleaned out your pen in a reasonable fashion, but care should be exercised regardless.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 06:59

Thanks a lot for your detailed instructions; I'm a complete newbie and this really helped me! I previously tried to fit the converter into the ink-holder that was included with the Lamy Safari, and knew I was doing something wrong. :-)

QUOTE (kissing @ Jun 23 2007, 04:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:19

In the time since I left my previous message, I've taken an education in the difference between IRON-GALL inks, which have their place (which is on the end of a dip pen, really) and the iron-gall(ish) inks ink a fountain pen preparation. I'm now a giant fan of Lamy blue-black, which is very similar to a vintage Waterman ink I've had a chance to try-- I wouldn't leave it in the pen indefinitely, but it's not going to do serious mischief.
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:44

I've been using Lamy Blue/Black in my 1950's era Conway Stewart 58 (with 14k Duro nib) for a few weeks now, and am glad of the experience. At first, the pen wrote kind of dry, with skipping and occasional dropouts. But after about a week, the pen now flows evenly, and draws as nice a line as you could ask.

I'm wondering, did the ink somehow clean out old clogs in the feed? What could have caused this rather dramatic improvement in flow?
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 13:00

A quick note on the procedure of inserting a cartridge in Safari.

The Lamy converter has two small protruding bits that are supposed to keep the converter body from rotating when filling. These should go into the shallow grooves on the section that are positioned 90 degrees away from the ink window, not into the wider ones that form part of the ink window. Despite knowing this, I managed to fit my converter the wrong way and can see those knobs when checking the ink level. Got a little carried away... headsmack.gif

If you fit it the wrong way, nothing bad will happen. Thus you may notice this only weeks later. Well, I just have to reseat the converter when changing ink next time.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 13:49

Granted, I'm a newbie to the world of fountain pens and inks (and also dip pens--I use both about equally), but if I were feeling wild and wanted to experiment with the "forbidden inks" (e.g. india, iron gall, pefumed, etc.), I'd totally GO FOR IT! I'd just find myself a cheap or fountain pen that I won't be overly upset about "killing" if it comes to that... Yay for experimentation! bunny01.gif

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 15:43

QUOTE (blueiris @ Jun 23 2007, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After rinsing and shaking, I blot the face of the nib with a lint-free cloth to wick out more of the water. I usually wait about 15 minutes before refilling, but that's just me.

I also tend to flush out the converter with every refill, usually because I'm changing colors. But, I have one ink that creeps out onto my Safari nib and stays there (Noodler's Gulf Stream). By the time it's time to refill, the nib creep has formed a thin crust, and the flow is impeded. Particles of dried ink come loose when I flush, so I know I'm doing the right thing by flushing before refilling with that particular ink. So with some inks, I think flushing with refilling is mandatory (iron gall inks, red-based inks, and heavily-saturated inks are also mentioned for frequent flushing; to prevent corrosion and to prevent severe staining).

This is probably more information than you wanted. Enjoy your Safari!


whoa, thats a long time to wait, i usally fill about 2 minutes after setting it down on something absorbant.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 17:11

QUOTE (grayfoxgirl @ Sep 1 2009, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Granted, I'm a newbie to the world of fountain pens and inks (and also dip pens--I use both about equally), but if I were feeling wild and wanted to experiment with the "forbidden inks" (e.g. india, iron gall, pefumed, etc.), I'd totally GO FOR IT! I'd just find myself a cheap or fountain pen that I won't be overly upset about "killing" if it comes to that... Yay for experimentation! bunny01.gif


There's a difference between forbidden and "forbidden" inks. India ink is forbidden, note the abscence of quotation marks. It will clog the pen very badly and possibly beyond repair. Short of a mythbusters episode ("we've all heard this myth that india ink clogs the pen"), don't use it. (The myth would be at least plausible, most likely confirmed in that imaginary episode).

Then perfumed and iron gall inks are more or less safe for fountain pen use, at least if rinsing the pen afterwards and not letting the pen stay inked for several weeks.

We're straying off topic here, but felt a compelling need to denounce experiments with india ink in a Safari. It may be cheap, but I like it a lot.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 18:06

I'm not totally up to speed on Lake Placid Blue but as saturated as most PR inks are, a drop or two of water isn't going to make any color difference
in them.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 23:53

i find the bulleted instructions helpful, but have a few additions after successfully filling my converter the first time. If the parts aren't explained, it takes a few moments to realize what's being discussed.

>the part meant to be twisted is the red end of the converter.
>a second point to make is that twisting the red end moves a piston up and down (depending upon the direction of rotation). I recommend getting a feel for this prior to placing the nib into a bottle of ink.
>a final point is that you ensure you push the converter entirely into the pen--you know it's in it's final position as there are two plastic tabs that fit into two grooves on the pen & snap into place when the
converter is in it's final spot.

-ensure the piston is twisted down & as close to the nib as possible
-place the nib all the way up into the bottle of ink
-slowly, twist the red end of the converter so the piston moves closer to the red end
-you will begin to see ink draw up into the converter
-rotate the red end until the piston is at the top of the converter (as far as it will travel)
-slide the barrel of the pen back on & screw into place
-wipe clean with the appropriate towel
-write away (although you may want to consider closing the bottle--my toddler has a knack for spilling things, so i try to be as explicit with instructions as possible)


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:06

A quick note on the procedure of inserting a cartridge in Safari.

The Lamy converter has two small protruding bits that are supposed to keep the converter body from rotating when filling. These should go into the shallow grooves on the section that are positioned 90 degrees away from the ink window, not into the wider ones that form part of the ink window. Despite knowing this, I managed to fit my converter the wrong way and can see those knobs when checking the ink level. Got a little carried away... <img src="http://www.fountainp.../headsmack.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":headsmack:" border="0" alt="headsmack.gif" />

If you fit it the wrong way, nothing bad will happen. Thus you may notice this only weeks later. Well, I just have to reseat the converter when changing ink next time.

Thanks very much for this information! I recently purchased my second Safari, along with an ink converter (first Safari uses cartridges), and when I had everything together it felt like the converter was "too tall"; the barrel would sometimes unscrew on its own in my pocket. Just checked and my converter was installed 90 degrees out of phase. All better now.
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Posted 12 October 2010 - 03:54

I love how people keep bumping this thread. The OP now has 6000+ posts

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 22:05

I love how people keep bumping this thread. The OP now has 6000+ posts

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 22:19

more like 11K, but you'd be surprised how many have trouble eyeing the small slots which allow the converter to seat correctly. Safari is generally trouble free once this is understood.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 04:56

more like 11K, but you'd be surprised how many have trouble eyeing the small slots which allow the converter to seat correctly. Safari is generally trouble free once this is understood.

Are those slots also on the Z26 Lamy converter?
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:52

there are cartidge refills too !

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 15:26


more like 11K, but you'd be surprised how many have trouble eyeing the small slots which allow the converter to seat correctly. Safari is generally trouble free once this is understood.

Are those slots also on the Z26 Lamy converter?


The slots are on the pen, not the converter. The two dots on the converter match the tiny slots on the pen.

I just took mine apart to double check, and bah-humbug, cannot reinsert it correctly Posted Image The Diamine matches my nailpolish, howeverPosted Image Ist time I tried reinserting when full of ink, and 100% see the issue of not being fully inserted, ink will flow (gush) out of the feed if you advance the piston, but with all that air will not flow out of the nib. This pen works 100% so is totally incorrect seating of the converter.





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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:40

I'm having a slight issue with my Lamy Safari. I tried using the converter for it for the first time (never used converters or bottled ink before), and found that when I had my nib completely submerged, and twisting the plunger up...nothing happened, or would only draw a small amount of ink with the plunger already unable to go any further. What am I doing wrong? Does anyone know where the ink is drawn up from? I was using a brand new bottle of J. Herbin ink if that helps.

Even after drawing up some ink, nothing would come out of the nib. I twisted the plunger down and just got a big blob of ink on my scratch paper, and the ink kept getting lighter and lighter...to the point where I had to wait for it to come down the nib. I never had any issues with my safari pen until now, so I'm thinking that it might be the ink (J. Herbin: Orange Indien).

I am just about to refill the pen again by just dipping in the converter (even though I'm a tad concerned that I will be making a mess when pushing in the converter in the pen with the little nobs in the sockets)...

Any suggestions/clarification would be perfect!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:59

If I'm not mistaken, the ink is drawn into the little square hole at the base if the feed, which means submerging the nib right up to the section, or slightly above the bottom edge of the section. You want the little hole to be "underwater" (underink?). Also, make sure the converter is seated tight against the section. Assuming the plunger is already down, turn the screw knob on the converter clockwise at a steady pace. Sometimes the ink will come up bubbly, in which case I usually push the ink back out and redraw it back in making sure the pen is deep enough into the ink.

Try filling the whole converter to see if that makes a difference.

Don't forget to wipe the end of the section when you wipe the nib. If you don't wipe it with the cloth, you WILL do it with your fingers. I prefer the cloth. ;)

I don't know if I've told you anything you do not know, but I hope this helps.

Edited by N2theBreach, 21 November 2012 - 05:12.