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Hi Penners

 

Another identification question.

It is a solid silver De La Rue Hallmarked 1911 with syringe filling system which works perfectly.

It is 15cms long and 18cms posted.

The nib doesn't help as it a 14t Warranted.

Hope one of you genius's can

 

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Probably a 3000.

 

Snap: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/171238-supersize-my-nib-redux-thirty-pens-in-thirty-days/?p=1714951

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/106928-del-la-rue-onoto-3000-review/

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Wonderful pen classic understated Onoto class.

 

Please measure the barrel length between the end of the section and to the filler know face; if it's about 82mm it's a 1000 if a little shorter, a 3000.

 

By the way, it is not of course a syringe filler, Onoto didn't make them; it is a vacuum filler I suppose you'd call it although in fact every pen works on the vacuum principle except of course eye droppers!

 

Some Onotos came with Warranted nibs marked TDLR, but I suspect not at the time your pen was manufactured.

 

Rgds

 

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It appears to be a 1000 model. A tad over 82 cms.

You are very fortunate to own such a beautiful pen; my compliments

 

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Cob

 

Can I take it that it is a rarity?

 

It is an amazing pen to hold. The word tactile is an insufficient description to use in the case of this instrument. It is as well balanced as a Swiss watch.

 

I am very fortunate to own it. It is also in wonderful condition save for the nib, which I suspect was a substituted at some time. Have you any idea what the standard nib was on the 1000 series?

 

John

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I've got a gold 1 that's very similar in barleycorn. Also hallmarked 1911 but it's only 12cm.

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Can I take it that it is a rarity?

 

It is an amazing pen to hold. The word tactile is an insufficient description to use in the case of this instrument. It is as well balanced as a Swiss watch.

 

I am very fortunate to own it. It is also in wonderful condition save for the nib, which I suspect was a substituted at some time. Have you any idea what the standard nib was on the 1000 series?

 

John

Undoubtedly I should say - especially in that condition.

 

It is dangerous to generalise about nibs etc., to be found on pens that are 100 years old! Most of the 1000s I have or have had have had over/under feeds, this pen for example:

 

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From a different pen:

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On the other hand, I have for sale at the moment a1000 with a normal No 3 nib; whether or not it is original I cannot tell. If your pen is hallmarked then you should be able to identify the date; Onotos had over/under feeds up to about 1916 - I don't know for certainty.

 

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Sorry! My Ricoh camera is rubbish...

 

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It is Hallmarked 1911 and has over/under feed.

 

John

Sorry I should have looked at your post again rather than relying on my unreliable memory!

 

OK then you have to find an over/under Onoto nib; not an easy task. Occasionally a damaged early pen turns up, but not often!

 

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For insurance purposes how would I value it

I don't know I'm afraid - at least £300 I should think perhaps £400.

 

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After reading about the over/under feeds being used until 1916 I realised my pen could not be 1911 so I re-checked. It's actually 1927. Looking at the wrong table must have been tired.

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After reading about the over/under feeds being used until 1916 I realised my pen could not be 1911 so I re-checked. It's actually 1927. Looking at the wrong table must have been tired.

Elfin,

 

It has been said that Onoto stopped doing over/under feeds about 1916 - I really don't know for a fact, but it seems likely given that Mabie Todd abandoned them I believe before that date.

 

Rgds

 

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