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Hey guys I have an oversized crest triumph and I was wondering, for future reference replacing the sac, how is the section affixed?post-121627-0-03913500-1427579307.jpgpost-121627-0-12524600-1427579322.jpg

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You have a beautiful Crest Deluxe manufactured between March 1, 1945 and September 1, 1947. Enjoy it!

 

For replacing the sac, after gentle heat in the zone, place thumb on feed and forefinger on nib and unscrew taking much care for maintain feed and nib in line, You have here some good advice for this purpose:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/258592-sheaffer-lifetime-lever-fill-with-triumph-nib/

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Thank you for the speedy reply, just 1 clarification is it just where the nib is that unscrews or up by the threaded metal band the cap screws to?

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Partial image from PCA Library Sheaffer´S doc.

 

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I don't think that's oversized, because that was the size.

 

It should be the latter. The section screws into the barrel. I wouldn't mess with the nib. For some reason, I can't read the diagram to show what I've seen before. The metal thread ring sits on the section and the end of the barrel butts up against it. This all assumes it's just like a fat Triumph Autograph.

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The metal thread ring sits on the section and the end of the barrel butts up against it.

 

See Sheaffer´S doc posted today. Possibly you're confusing the section with barrel end (a plastic spiral finger grip on lower portion of barrel).

 

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Thank you for the speedy reply, just 1 clarification is it just where the nib is that unscrews or up by the threaded metal band the cap screws to?

 

The section unscrew from the barrel at the metal threaded band. What is called "section" in the Sheaffer's repair manual is now called "collar", into/onto which the nib and feed are afixed. The section is refered as "barrel end" on the diagram Lazard posted.

 

What Lazard describe is the method to remove the nib which is totally unecessary to service lever-filler Triumph pens. It is for vac-fill however, using the proper tools (not the method as reported per the Sheaffer's manual). The section as a multi-start threading on the lever-fill Triumph, so the nib may not necessary line with the lever on the first try unless you've started from the correct configuration. Also make sure the sac do not bind to the pressure bar when threading the section back into the barrel.

 

The section is likely to be cemented with thread sealent. Gentle heat will be necessary to release it. Those pen are relatively easy to service unlike their vac-fill equivalent...

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.Reedited. There are other better and more valid opinions. "Section" now is "Barrel End" but it was not always so.

 

 

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You have a beautiful Crest Deluxe manufactured between March 1, 1945 and September 1, 1947. Enjoy it!

 

For replacing the sac, after gentle heat in the zone, place thumb on feed and forefinger on nib and unscrew taking much care for maintain feed and nib in line, You have here some good advice for this purpose:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/258592-sheaffer-lifetime-lever-fill-with-triumph-nib/

 

No. That is for a plunger fill pen. Actually, that's wrong for even a plunger fill pen. Trying to take a nib out with just your fingers and without the tool made by Fountainbel is a good way to damage the nib - your chances of success are 50% AT BEST. With Francis' tool your chances of success go up to close to 100%.

 

GG917 is correct. This is a lever fill pen, so the whole section unscrews from the barrel to replace the sac. You don't need to do anything with the nib. The sac nipple is attached to the end of the section. Sheaffer often used thread sealant here to keep the section from unscrewing, so you will need heat. Don't try to get it to come loose "NOW!" but rather use gentle, persistent torque, warming the barrel frequently so that the heat gets down through the plastic to the thread sealant.

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Seconding what Ron said. Do not "place thumb on feed and forefinger on nib and unscrew taking much care for maintain feed and nib in line" in order to replace the sac on this lever-filler.

 

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It looks like Sheaffer is using "section" in a more specialized sense than we usually see it, which won't help with the degree of confusion. I think that what we all generally say is the section is indeed being called "barrel end" in that cut-away diagram.

 

Now, having said that-- to get at the sac, unscrew the entire forward unit from tipping to threaded metal band to come at the sac, which is exactly what Ron is saying (although apparently not using the terms Sheaffer was at that precise moment). Don't try to get the point/feed object out of what it's mounted in.

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