I Find A Grey Snorkel Signature?!

[Boiling Black Coffee]

I know Snorkel Signature can be found in black, green and burgundy, as well as TM Signature. But today, I find a Grey Snorkel Signature?!

The Grey Signature come with a broken box and a matching pencil, has a 14K hallmark on the ring.

Does the Grey Snorkel Signature really exist? Is it possible that the gold ring comes from a normal Signature? Can the gold ring be moved and replaced? If it is really exist, can we find a Signature in blue too?

[Nathaniel Harter]

Looks a lot like a Valiant to me, except it doesn't have the 2 lines in the gold. Could you post some pictures of the nib?

[Boiling Black Coffee]

Looks a lot like a Valiant to me, except it doesn't have the 2 lines in the gold. Could you post some pictures of the nib?

It shares the same nib with Valiant, 14K two-tone triumph nib, Signature is a Valiant with 14K cap ring. I am quite sure that it is a "Signature", I just don't know this Signature was made by Sheaffer or remodeled by someone else.

[ANM]

Sheaffer made them but in the Valiant line they were called Autograph rather than Signature.

 

Here is more information

 

http://www.penhero.com/PenGallery/Sheaffer/SheafferAutographPens.htm

[saskia_madding]

I've got a black signature and an autograph, and the band on the signature is at least 1.5 that width. It is lovely, but I don't think it is a grey signature.

[Ernst Bitterman]

Having a look at catalogues; the proportions look right for the band on a Signature Snorkel in the '55 and '53 books (it was rather wider in the '51, pre-Snorkel), and the 14K impression sort of demands it is either an Signature or an Autograph (which has a CRAZY wide band). There's pretty general agreement about the colour choices, though, and grey isn't one of 'em. Are they USA production? If Canadian, Australian or elsewhere, that might shed some light on the anomaly.

[Boiling Black Coffee]

I've got a black signature and an autograph, and the band on the signature is at least 1.5 that width. It is lovely, but I don't think it is a grey signature.

I have a Snorkel Autograph, Autograph's band is 1.5cm wide and Signature's is 1cm wide.

And I have another Snorkel Signature in black,too. Except the color, this one is totally the same with the black Signature, so I think it is a Signature.

[Boiling Black Coffee]

Having a look at catalogues; the proportions look right for the band on a Signature Snorkel in the '55 and '53 books (it was rather wider in the '51, pre-Snorkel), and the 14K impression sort of demands it is either an Signature or an Autograph (which has a CRAZY wide band). There's pretty general agreement about the colour choices, though, and grey isn't one of 'em. Are they USA production? If Canadian, Australian or elsewhere, that might shed some light on the anomaly.

I am not sure about the place of production. The barrel and the nib have imprint said they were made in USA, but I find no imprint on the cap.

[Happy Harry]

The pen is a Signature. The cap bands can be changed so it's possible that occurred, it's also possible to have been an off catalog or made to order set. Personally I think most likely the bands have been changed for 2 reasons 1. Why would you special order a Signature instead of an Autograph? 2. As a special order I would have thought the pen would have a signature on the band rather than initials. Regardless it's a lovely, interesting and unique find.

 

Someone mentioned above the Signature bands varied between the Snorkel and the earlier TM TD, this is not correct and both models have the same size band.

[Ernst Bitterman]

Someone mentioned above the Signature bands varied between the Snorkel and the earlier TM TD, this is not correct and both models have the same size band.

 

My fault-- there appeared to be a difference in the widths, based on the PDF scans of catalogues showing artists' impressions of the pens rather than photographs, and I spoke with entirely too much emphasis above.

[kirchh]

The pen is a Signature. The cap bands can be changed so it's possible that occurred, it's also possible to have been an off catalog or made to order set. Personally I think most likely the bands have been changed for 2 reasons 1. Why would you special order a Signature instead of an Autograph? 2. As a special order I would have thought the pen would have a signature on the band rather than initials.

 

Hugh -

 

Why would a custom-color Signature be more likely to have a signature on the bands than would a standard-color Signature?

 

--Daniel

[Boiling Black Coffee]

 

Hugh -

 

Why would a custom-color Signature be more likely to have a signature on the bands than would a standard-color Signature?

 

--Daniel

Maybe a custom one is more attracted to sign your name on it